tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post4487534217377505978..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: what the ell...?John Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-45692124924286633612018-10-02T06:54:11.068+01:002018-10-02T06:54:11.068+01:00For anyone who wants to know this, hurry to read i...For anyone who wants to know this, hurry to read it. 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This is difficult to observe in a single speaker or singer, but the effect is magnified when a group of 40 singers do it as uniformly as possible- the difference is quite impressive.Detroiticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191163203922759029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-76249886065474009742012-02-21T22:09:07.721+00:002012-02-21T22:09:07.721+00:00I don't think that makes it sound any differen...I don't think that makes it sound any different though.Jason Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399373762677357587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-55189444501517487232012-02-21T18:52:44.129+00:002012-02-21T18:52:44.129+00:00... and as a native English speaker I'm quite ...... and as a native English speaker I'm quite confident that my postvocalic (i.e. dark) /l/ is frequently dental.JHJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03257258313943639485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-17696264956113217822012-02-21T18:28:43.099+00:002012-02-21T18:28:43.099+00:00In speech we make our l big and fat, we swallow it...<i>In speech we make our l big and fat, we swallow it a little bit…</i><br /><br />Indeed, in Irish phonology velarized consonants are called “broad” (and palatalized consonants are called “slender”).army1987https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166052755101226806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56699511653723088642012-02-21T18:25:16.365+00:002012-02-21T18:25:16.365+00:00I'm a native Italian speaker, and I don't ...I'm a native Italian speaker, and I don't think I normally pronounce prevocalic /l/ as dental. It's usually apico-(post)alveolar for me.army1987https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166052755101226806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-61849569093524274602012-02-21T16:09:57.918+00:002012-02-21T16:09:57.918+00:00I taught the lateral today in my speech class and ...I taught the lateral today in my speech class and I tried out your suggestion for playing with it using different vowel colorings. It worked beautifully, and it was indeed fun. They can now feel the differences<br />Thanks.John Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13200016103312139114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-48315702497242911722012-02-21T15:51:54.125+00:002012-02-21T15:51:54.125+00:00How sensible. Something useful about the new layou...How sensible. Something useful about the new layout! But I wonder if the reply link is still working. By all means delete this if it is.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-77299014690617687022012-02-21T15:48:47.813+00:002012-02-21T15:48:47.813+00:00I'm halting this thread (Italian vowel length)...I'm halting this thread (Italian vowel length) here, and will delete any further attempted contributions to it (including your most recent ones, Wojciech, of which I have nevertheless taken a copy). We thrashed the issue out in 2010. Enough is enough.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-25377784628691250482012-02-21T15:46:07.389+00:002012-02-21T15:46:07.389+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-82866245522882628552012-02-21T15:30:35.840+00:002012-02-21T15:30:35.840+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-10442091116429906522012-02-21T15:21:33.734+00:002012-02-21T15:21:33.734+00:00There is vowel quantity in Italian, but only in It...There <i>is</i> vowel quantity in Italian, but only in Italian phonetics, and not in the phonology, i.e. not as in the languages that do undeniably have vowel quantity in the sense that it is functional. There is no <i>being</i> or <i>having</i> in phonology except being functional or having distinctive function, though of course there are other, paralinguistic types of function, and there was a long argument some time back about the extent to which Italian uses vowel quantity for emphasis or in intonation, but even then full vowel length admittedly sounds ridiculous. (I see Alex has referred to something which may be that discussion, but either he hasn't linkified it, or this iPad is being as impossible as usual.) It's incompetence in that use that renders ridiculous the speech of NNSs who believe and practise it.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-13763646798569663592012-02-21T15:11:09.780+00:002012-02-21T15:11:09.780+00:00Perhaps part of the problem is having to break aut...Perhaps part of the problem is having to break automatic reflexes that tell you when to use [l] and when to use [ɫ]. For me and other Americans, [l] (dental or alveolar) is a foreign sound that just needs to be learned, like [a] or [y] or [ʈ] or [ʀ] (for me, [a] is the hardest of these).John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-76880838937102671912012-02-21T15:04:02.776+00:002012-02-21T15:04:02.776+00:00Have a look at this:
http://phonetic-blog.blogspo...Have a look at this:<br /><br />http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010/10/length-of-italian-vowels.htmlAlex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-3550895462025924862012-02-21T14:49:43.896+00:002012-02-21T14:49:43.896+00:00As an aside: kɾuˈdeːle for crudele or fa'ta:le...As an aside: kɾuˈdeːle for crudele or fa'ta:le for fatale seem to be based on the conception that there be vowel quantity in Italian. This conception seems plainly wrong to me, at least for as much as vowel quantity should mean the same thing as say in German or Czech or Swedish or Latvian---all languages that do undeniably have vowel quantity. I don't want to start a separate discussion on what is just an issue of tertiary importance here, but since I see this misconception often I feel I must not fail to voice my protest against it. It is also dangerous in a way (it renders ridiculous the speech of one who believes and practices it).Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.com