tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post5000930698554749035..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: spell it outJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-25710757774132001632020-06-13T10:42:25.856+01:002020-06-13T10:42:25.856+01:00Haloo pak^^
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Very suspicious. The cover is almos...richardelguru<br /><br />Very suspicious. The cover is almost identical with the book we're talking about. It has just eight more places, is hardback, and costs a couple of pounds more.<br /><br />The present book has ISBN and eISBN numbers beginning with 978. The alleged future book has an ISBN-13 number with the same prefix, although it's purportedly to be issued by a different publisher.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-61992921824966106102012-11-01T20:01:16.852+00:002012-11-01T20:01:16.852+00:00At Amazon they are taking pre-orders for _Spell It...At Amazon they are taking pre-orders for _Spell It Out: The Curious, Enthralling and Extraordinary Story of English Spelling_ which will be available on the 4th June NEXT YEAR!!<br />Do you know how different it will be?richardelguruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00839486187041394826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-65180556439162881422012-11-01T14:11:54.427+00:002012-11-01T14:11:54.427+00:00Killian
Thanks for that interesting link.
It'...Killian<br /><br />Thanks for that interesting link.<br /><br />It's great for people with a modicum of phonetics training and with the ability and inclination to master Rosenfelder's notation. For the average punter, it's not really learnable.<br /><br />What Crystal proposes is both less ambitious (There's no attempt at a system) and more ambitious (it addresses symbol-t-sound and sound-to-symbol equally). The strength of the book is that it identifies the many regularities in English spelling, putting them in memorable <b>narratives</b> both historical and situational. The historical narrative is based on events like the Norman Conquest, the invention of printing, the Great Vowel shift. The situational narrative is based on imagining what was in the mind of individuals who combined to start new trends.<br /><br />The narratives, if taught effectively, allow the learner to <b>associate</b> the spelling and the spoken word. This association works both ways: it allows the reader to recognise the corresponding spoken word, and it allows the writer to get the conventional spelling right.<br /><br />Rosenfelder's rules correspond to Crystal's narratives, but they don't usually offer any insight into <b>how, when</b> and <b>why</b> they came to exist (a great plus for learnability). Moreover, they're much better at procedures for deciphering symbol-to-sound than they are for remembering the sound-to-symbol spelling.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-4073574565561629752012-11-01T12:44:30.457+00:002012-11-01T12:44:30.457+00:00Crystal's central message is that English spel...<i>Crystal's central message is that English spelling is learnable.</i><br /><br />That reminds me of <a href="http://www.zompist.com/spell.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a> by Mark Rosenfelder (a.k.a. Zompist), known for his conlanging.Kilian Hekhuishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01084720179158650652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-20625230270574746372012-10-31T14:38:33.900+00:002012-10-31T14:38:33.900+00:00Oh! Thanks.
I didn't know that.Oh! Thanks.<br />I didn't know that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11343068774549667364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-67559203078665056312012-10-31T14:21:25.822+00:002012-10-31T14:21:25.822+00:00John, your last paragraph seems to place the inser...John, your last paragraph seems to place the insertion of P into <i>debt </i> and <i>receipt</i> quite late in the history of spelling. Rather, it's the other way round. It's the <b>loss</b> of P in <i>deceit</i> that came later. <br /><br />According to the OED, both Old French and Middle English had spellings with and without P. The word <i>conceit</i> was coined in English presumably on the analogy of <i>deceit</i>. Purely by chance, it chose the spelling without P.<br /><br />There's a quote from Gower (1393) where the rhyming shows that the P was silent:<br /><i>And that he dide for deceipt, <br />For she began to axe him streit.</i>David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-46747512313485005882012-10-31T13:46:29.414+00:002012-10-31T13:46:29.414+00:00It could be spelling pronunciation. It could be an...It could be spelling pronunciation. It could be an analogy with <i>floral</i>. It could be knowledge of Latin — your own, or that of influential teachers.<br /><br />Crystals' point was that consonants weren't doubled before <i>-id</i> there was never a spelling <i>timmid</i>. So, whether there was a short O or a long O the Latin single consonant was left unchanged.<br /><br />The explanation covers quite a lot: <i>acid, placid, tepid, solid, vivid ...</i>. <br />Extended to other suffixes, it covers a lot more: <br /><i>schedule, module, nodule, granule, globule<br />spirit, habit, profit<br />closet, comet, planet </i><br /><br />Crystal recounts how some writers tried to be consistent with <i>commet, plannet</i> etc. They were not copied. I can see how most writers and printers would have dismissed them as just silly. Every literate person knew Latin, so it would just confuse them to insert consonants.<br /><br />Crystal's central message is that English spelling is <b>learnable</b>. Concentrating on the anomalies makes it harder. Concentrating on regularities makes it easier to learn — even if the regularities were imposed when people shared different experience and a different mindset.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-12860784989999285542012-10-31T13:00:45.116+00:002012-10-31T13:00:45.116+00:00Crystal does write at length on island. A sequenc...Crystal does write at length on <i>island</i>. A sequence of two processes:<br /><br />1. In English and French, a letter S was inserted into <i>ile</i> to make things easier. Everybody knew Latin, of course, so the S would remind them of Latin <i>insula</i> — exactly the same thinking that led to <i>debt</i> and <i>receipt</i><br /><br />2. In English, <i>iland</i> was re-analysed as <i>isle + land</i>, and the spelling was adjusted accordingly.<br /><br />Crystal doesn't write about <i>viscount</i> but I think it's a simple case of the pronunciation changing. In French they changed the spelling to match the new pronunciation, but in English we didn't.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-28008946938913444522012-10-31T12:51:12.080+00:002012-10-31T12:51:12.080+00:00Hmm, so the fact that I pronounce "horrid&quo...Hmm, so the fact that I pronounce "horrid" and "florid" differently is the result of spelling pronunciation, not etymological pronunciation difference? ("Horrid" has LOT/THOUGHT; "florid" has NORTH/FORCE.)AJDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212125374163334242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-6565533184105882732012-10-31T11:38:59.459+00:002012-10-31T11:38:59.459+00:00Plus the anomalies in island and viscount.Plus the anomalies in <i>island</i> and <i>viscount</i>.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11343068774549667364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-70140446239986434212012-10-31T11:30:30.919+00:002012-10-31T11:30:30.919+00:00Thanks; looking forward to the continuation.
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fə...Thanks; looking forward to the continuation.<br />__<br />fə fʊl neɪm siː prəʊfaɪlAlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627322349797202893noreply@blogger.com