tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post5531498933375282086..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: click symbolsJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-2298268549026041332010-10-08T19:55:00.740+01:002010-10-08T19:55:00.740+01:00I really don't like click sounding languages, ...I really don't like click sounding languages, they really mess up with the little knowledge I have of this languages. And to use those letters to write the sounds is kind of confusing.Tadalafilhttp://www.xlpharmacy.com/generic-cialis/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-72814755302452380882009-09-10T21:35:49.051+01:002009-09-10T21:35:49.051+01:00I agree, to a point. There’s also the idea that cl...I agree, to a point. There’s also the idea that clicks are a modifier of the back sound (e.g. k, g, ŋ) and therefore should not look like those other sounds.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-72136211901210014452009-09-10T18:59:06.995+01:002009-09-10T18:59:06.995+01:00Just a couple tiny additions...
The old symbols ...Just a couple tiny additions... <br /><br />The old symbols first appeared in L'écriture phonétique internationale (2nd ed.), published 1921, i.e. two years prior to Doke's thesis on Zulu phonetics (where they also appear). Doke may have had something to do with the choice, but Paul Passy and/or Daniel Jones were presumably the ones who decided to include them. <br /><br />The new symbols were originally devised by Lepsius. And for what it's worth, I don't think they should be changed. The ! and ≠ symbols are not likely to be misinterpreted because their distribution is different from that of the exclamation mark and the not-equal sign. You can use the slanted versions of / and // to avoid confusing them with lower-case Ls. They also decend slightly lower beklow the base-line than do the lower-case Ls (at least in most fonts).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-63245889625260202062009-09-10T07:02:29.811+01:002009-09-10T07:02:29.811+01:00Thanks for the link to the sound samples. Even tho...Thanks for the link to the sound samples. Even though it's hard to hear exactly what is going on, at least I how have some vague idea of what a previously-unimaginable aspirated click sounds like.Lance Eccleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04712002642501309020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-20470099903491270792009-09-09T23:40:23.434+01:002009-09-09T23:40:23.434+01:00I don't like either of the systems much -- bot...I don't like either of the systems much -- both make it hard to remember which click is which.<br />Why not use a modifier, e.g. !, together with an existing IPA symbol representing the location, so that we'd get p! for a bilabial click, c! for a palatal one, l! for a lateral one, ʈ! for a retroflex one, and t̪! for a dental one.Thomas Widmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481786791740154131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56909053038519146832009-09-09T19:11:13.901+01:002009-09-09T19:11:13.901+01:00I agree completely, and what's more, I think t...I agree completely, and what's more, I think that Doke's old symbols should get another careful look.Michael Eversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16882679137179765872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-2511112842105124312009-09-09T17:59:03.826+01:002009-09-09T17:59:03.826+01:00I entirely agree with you about the new vs. the ol...I entirely agree with you about the new vs. the old click symbols. Progress? Pah!John Maidmentnoreply@blogger.com