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The mistaking and the eduction were part of the early evolution of ME, not like the synchronic phenomena which even Wiki agrees 'kudos' as plural and 'kudo' as singular are: "kudo is considered an error".<br /><br />Wiki's example 'biceps' as plural with singular 'bicep' is beneath the notice of the OED. I do sympathize, but I would guess it is more common than kudo!<br /><br />Ethos are as ethos do, and I submit that eschewal of such solecisms is more appropriate to the etho of this blog.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-5666577036110915812010-08-27T04:57:53.988+01:002010-08-27T04:57:53.988+01:00John Cowan says '"Barbadoes" was ind...John Cowan says '"Barbadoes" was indeed an earlier English spelling'. 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