tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post787416069268725595..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: glottal t in AmEJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-43531695664268664092010-07-07T15:08:50.432+01:002010-07-07T15:08:50.432+01:00Thanks for the post, and for all the comments, com...Thanks for the post, and for all the comments, commenters! There seems to be a general agreement, then, as to the environments where you get t-glottalisation in AmE.<br /><br />One more little ask: Any comments on t-glottalisation as performed by <a href="http://ifa.amu.edu.pl/~wjarek/Americans.html" rel="nofollow">these two women</a>? Pretty please? Marked/unmarked? Evidently regional?wjarekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871668374161722713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-13311444895025354312010-07-07T03:56:32.586+01:002010-07-07T03:56:32.586+01:00@army1987:
I think the stigmatized glottalization ...@army1987:<br />I think the stigmatized glottalization is word-internal gloattalization, e.g., in "bottle" or "water" (or "getting"). Glottalization in phrases like "get out", "get in" or "not a lot" can be found in modern RP from what I've read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-89489419639612521722010-07-06T17:01:52.561+01:002010-07-06T17:01:52.561+01:00BTW, I think the glottalization with "social ...BTW, I think the glottalization with "social importance that is attached to it in the UK" is the one <em>before vowels</em> e.g. <i>getting</i>, where other speakers could use a flap, a "plain" alveolar plosive, a non-sibilant fricative, ...army1987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-35757596592986019642010-07-06T10:47:41.635+01:002010-07-06T10:47:41.635+01:00@army1987: I think a glottal stop before syllabic ...@army1987: I think a glottal stop before syllabic /m/ would be interpreted as the coarticulate /p/. But I don't recall hearing a glottal stop in <em>happen</em> (or <em>reckon</em> for that matter)lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10967852565627690025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-25810779573531078492010-07-06T09:29:31.115+01:002010-07-06T09:29:31.115+01:00@army1987:
Yeah, I agree except I believe I've...@army1987:<br />Yeah, I agree except I believe I've heard an alveolar tap in words "button" and especially "important" in the South (of the U.S.), which sounds a bit unusual to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-37586385353483281452010-07-06T09:26:41.367+01:002010-07-06T09:26:41.367+01:00That's interesting about the alveolar gesture....That's interesting about the alveolar gesture. That explains why I thought it was an unreleased alveolar plosive because my tongue still touches the alveolar ridge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-51161351146990963842010-07-06T05:33:31.936+01:002010-07-06T05:33:31.936+01:00@Jongseong:
Fountain and Mountain have the KIT vo...@Jongseong:<br /><br />Fountain and Mountain have the KIT vowel rather than schwa in the second syllable for many BrE speakers (including me), which prevents their being realized as syllabic nasals.<br /><br />In my own (near RP) speech I might use a glottal stop in any of the the examples listed in the Language Panel, except Button, where I would always use an alveolar stop with either nasal or alveolar release.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-89444490081048586042010-07-06T05:31:50.224+01:002010-07-06T05:31:50.224+01:00@army1987,
I think a glottal stop before syllabic...@army1987,<br /><br />I think a glottal stop before syllabic /m/ would be perceived as /p/, not /t/. But then I don't recall hearing [hæʔm̩] for <em>happen</em> (or [rɛʔŋ̩] for <em>reckon</em> for that matter.)lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10967852565627690025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-55674967556837086252010-07-06T05:08:05.980+01:002010-07-06T05:08:05.980+01:00I don't think it's a coincidence that Jons...I don't think it's a coincidence that Jonseong picked up on glottalizations in New Jersey--this could be a regional feature. I say my own first name, Emmet, with a glottal stop in place of utterance-final /t/, and without the alveolar component at that.<br /><br />That said, when trying to sound "formal" I do use the unreleased [t] that Lazar mentions--and also lower the 2nd vowel from ɪ to ɛ, but that's another story...Emmethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529277959703532939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-72962126359350819012010-07-05T23:29:36.458+01:002010-07-05T23:29:36.458+01:00In my native dialect, 'mitten' and 'ki...In my native dialect, 'mitten' and 'kitten' (and 'button') almost always involve a glottal stop in place of the t. When I use it as an example of a glottal stop to my English students, they think I'm hi-larious.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-12038899217431788512010-07-05T22:14:38.728+01:002010-07-05T22:14:38.728+01:00Is it an impression of mine, or syllabic /n/ and s...Is it an impression of mine, or syllabic /n/ and syllabic /m/ behave differently? In <i>botton</i>, a glottal stop would sound much less weird than in <i>bottom</i> to me, and <i>vice versa</i> for the flap.army1987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-32844757588776307842010-07-05T20:36:04.828+01:002010-07-05T20:36:04.828+01:00Ryan, I think that might be an AAVE trait, like gl...Ryan, I think that might be an AAVE trait, like glottalizing "Broadway," which I hear regularly in our mixed-ethnic neighborhood.<br /><br />And I agree, it's normal AmE to glottalize t under the circumstances listed above. Not to do so pushes the t into the next syllable (as with the 'nitrate' example above.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14376545097377854998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56761052059635872892010-07-05T16:49:51.998+01:002010-07-05T16:49:51.998+01:00I've noticed (mostly in younger generations, b...I've noticed (mostly in younger generations, but that's just impressionistic) that many people include a schwa, often tending to a higher variant, in the second syllable of words like "button" even if they change the /t/ to a glottal stop. It sounds odd to me, but many people I know use it all the time.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13845139257399756782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-18523959497996144422010-07-05T14:58:46.085+01:002010-07-05T14:58:46.085+01:00I agree that AmE glottal /t/ is a coarticulated st...I agree that AmE glottal /t/ is a coarticulated stop [ʔ͡t], and that glottal utterance-final /t/ is not AmE. The famous opposition between <i>nitrate</i> /naɪtrɛɪt/, <i>night rate</i> /naɪt+rɛɪt/, and <i>Nye trait</i> /naɪ+trɛɪt/ is represented in my own speech by [naɪtrɛɪʔ͡t], [naɪʔ͡trɛɪʔ͡t], and [naːɪtrɛɪʔ͡t] respectively (presuming another word follows in each case).John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-24884849741980230662010-07-05T14:44:24.652+01:002010-07-05T14:44:24.652+01:00I just realized that captain does not qualify as a...I just realized that captain does not qualify as a candidate for a glottalized allophone of t since [p] which precedes it is not a sonorant. Explains why I don't generally use a glottal stop there. But I'm not quite sure what goes on when I don't explode the t and say cap'm.Jongseonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12558136756392729306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-27767695318558509512010-07-05T13:48:55.313+01:002010-07-05T13:48:55.313+01:00I'm an AmEng speaker from Massachusetts, and I...I'm an AmEng speaker from Massachusetts, and I tend to glottalize in all the situations you've identified. However, utterance-final glottalization is rare in my speech; I almost always use an unreleased [t] in that position.Lazar Taxonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13221219358689771815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-75992416037115874732010-07-05T11:10:33.796+01:002010-07-05T11:10:33.796+01:00As a young EFL student in New Jersey, long before ...As a young EFL student in New Jersey, long before any exposure to BrE, I picked up on the frequent use of glottal stops (perhaps combined with the alveolar gesture) in precisely those situations described in the 'language panel' above.<br /><br />The most obvious ones were for words like button. Mountain and fountain were actually the first words I picked up on. In AmE, these two are nearly always pronounced with syllabic nasals; my impression is that this isn't the case with BrE, hence the non-use of glottal stops for this pair. I do frequently use a fully exploded t in captain, though, probably because the two stops in a row feel like they could do with a satisfying release.Jongseonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12558136756392729306noreply@blogger.com