tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post1194921182099242183..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: going on twurJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57029262435412753702011-01-08T14:41:11.535+00:002011-01-08T14:41:11.535+00:00wonder with intense wondering is if on the contrar...wonder with intense wondering is if on the contrary 'Jewry' is actually the more likely to have ʊə → wɜː because of a potential /j/ alleged by the OED, which has ˈdʒʊərɪ for 'jury' and ˈdʒ(j)ʊərɪ for 'Jewry'!jollibee's historyhttp://www.212articles.com/articles/73742/1/Jollibees-Short-History/Page1.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19006888942247945882010-10-19T22:24:19.184+01:002010-10-19T22:24:19.184+01:00I have deleted two "comments" originatin...I have deleted two "comments" originating from commercial addresses. I shall continue to delete what I judge to be spam.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-60766064736668852022010-03-26T20:06:55.568+00:002010-03-26T20:06:55.568+00:00In the courts of New York, the pronunciations /dʒu...In the courts of New York, the pronunciations /dʒuɹɔ(ɹ)/ and /difɛndænt/, with no reduced vowels, are traditional — I assume that lawyers and court clerks pick them up from their seniors.<br /><br />vp: Avoiding lip-rounding in <i>rural</i> is easy if you don't round /u/, as I and many Americans do not.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56324176916099067742010-03-06T17:42:51.061+00:002010-03-06T17:42:51.061+00:00This illustatrations looks like automata language....This illustatrations looks like automata language.Penhttp://www.discountmugs.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-40907020223172381502010-02-22T04:03:58.807+00:002010-02-22T04:03:58.807+00:00As a Canadian of the central prairies, I believe I...As a Canadian of the central prairies, I believe I'm pronouncing 'rural' and 'juror' as ['ɹɚl̩] and ['dʒɚɹɚ] or possibly even ['dʒɚ:] in rapid speech) respectively (I really hope these unicode symbols come through in this comment.) Even though they're funny sounding words though, I can't say I have difficulty pronouncing them at all.<br /><br />Speaking of the ʊə → wɜː development, it reminds me of the change of Middle English <i>sho</i> for 'she' in some dialects. That example involves [j] instead of [w] but it seems apt enough.Glen Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440249042894225949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-39078152465848224212010-02-21T09:31:12.786+00:002010-02-21T09:31:12.786+00:00I knew it!I knew it!Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-43961581034979897752010-02-21T08:58:18.235+00:002010-02-21T08:58:18.235+00:00You guessed it. Man you're good! You're ...You guessed it. Man you're good! You're like a modern day Henry Higgins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-43329150942646240992010-02-21T08:24:48.470+00:002010-02-21T08:24:48.470+00:00Would help if you indicated what your regional &am...Would help if you indicated what your regional &c. accent is, native or non-native. Are you the pirate in the crow's nest from Asterix, for instance?<br /><br />Ad rem, it's much easier to pronounce <i>rural</i> when you have a [ɾ] for the second /r/, but I'm not aware of accents that do that only for dissimilation, as opposed to more general rules of distribution.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-48791657936275676772010-02-21T07:54:46.323+00:002010-02-21T07:54:46.323+00:00I actually pronounce "rural" as /ruː.əl/...I actually pronounce "rural" as /ruː.əl/ with no "r" in the middle. I don't know where this came from and I don't know what's wrong with me. The word "pure" sounds a lot like "pier" to me. "Tour" sounds like "two-er". I find the word "juror" a bit difficult to say too, but it's not quite as bad as "murderer" which I murder quite often. <br /><br />On a different note there's "mirror" which tends to be homophonous with "mere" for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-31657179606070269802010-02-20T21:30:05.193+00:002010-02-20T21:30:05.193+00:00@Ed:
I find "rural" a bit of a tongue-t...@Ed:<br /><br />I find "rural" a bit of a tongue-twister, even though I have a pretty standard pronunciation [ɻʊə.ɻl]<br /><br /><br />The reason is that I hypercorrect away from any lip activity while pronouncing /r/. I grew up in the English Midlands with a labiodental approximant /r/ and after being teased about it as an undergraduate, (and hearing tapes of myself and disliking the results), and also after moving to the USA, replaced it with a retroflex approximant.<br /><br />Of course, it's difficult to pronounce "rural" without out any lip rounding in the /r/s :)vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-88244322857570709792010-02-20T11:33:54.637+00:002010-02-20T11:33:54.637+00:00@MKR: I saw an episode of an American programme (3...@MKR: I saw an episode of an American programme (30 Rock) in which the characters struggled to pronounce the phrase "The Rural Juror". From your post, I can understand that this phrase would involve too many schwas for some people.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57511029323268999772010-02-20T03:53:47.968+00:002010-02-20T03:53:47.968+00:00(To David Deterding's comment:) There is a sim...(To David Deterding's comment:) There is a similar distinction in North American accents, but we would need to assign different items to the two lexical sets. In GenAm, "poor," "tour," "moor," "boorish," etc., always have [ʊɚ], while "cure," "pure," "fury" may have [ʊɚ] but very often -- I think in fact more often -- have [ɝ]. However, in GenAm, this reflects the historical rather than the present occurrence of [j] before the vowel: it occurs following [ʃ], [ʒ], [tʃ], [dʒ], and [r] as well as [j]. "Sure," "jury," and "rural," as well as "mature" in the pronunciation with [tʃ], belong to the second set (words that may have [ɝ]), not the first (words that always have [ʊɚ]).Miles Rindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733605717776262840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-31283105979366601822010-02-20T02:06:58.600+00:002010-02-20T02:06:58.600+00:00Although it is not quite the same as the situation...Although it is not quite the same as the situation in South Africa, in Singapore English words such as 'cure' and 'pure' have [ɔː], but words with no [j] such as 'tour', 'poor' and 'sure' have [ʊə]. To represent this, it is usual to introduce a new keyword: POOR, which has a different vowel from CURE.David Deterdinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01705933863008926468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-60245234280491932162010-02-19T21:15:33.797+00:002010-02-19T21:15:33.797+00:00I've heard the NURSE vowel in the word 'lu...I've heard the NURSE vowel in the word 'lure' a few times (in the London area) and EPD has it as a possibility for this word.Paul Carleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-53181819949223418202010-02-18T23:41:41.065+00:002010-02-18T23:41:41.065+00:00The next posting is on my 18th birthday.
Can'...The next posting is on my 18th birthday.<br /><br />Can't believe how quickly it's come around. Will soon be off to university to study linguistics!S.C. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04325161546290294854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19342645913501581392010-02-18T14:22:58.365+00:002010-02-18T14:22:58.365+00:00What I wonder is if ʊə → wɜː extends to words such...What I wonder is if ʊə → wɜː extends to words such as 'Jewry', on the basis that although LPD has [UK] ˈdʒʊər i §ˈdʒuː ri ǁ [US] ˈdʒuː ri for Jewry and ˈdʒʊər |i ˈdʒɜːr-, ˈdʒɔːr- ǁ ˈdʒʊr |i for jury, the US sound files have the distinction that is transcribed in those entries, but so do the UK ones have the corresponding distinction, namely §ˈdʒuː ri vs. ˈdʒʊər |i, and both these UK ones sound as if they are recorded by the same speaker. So that if by any chance ʊə → wɜː does extend to 'jury' it would not necessarily extend to 'Jewry'.<br /><br />And what I wonder with more intense wondering is if on the contrary 'Jewry' is actually the more likely to have ʊə → wɜː because of a potential /j/ alleged by the OED, which has ˈdʒʊərɪ for 'jury' and ˈdʒ(j)ʊərɪ for 'Jewry'! <br /><br />I guess we could all agree that both LPD's §ˈdʒuː ri and the OED variant ˈdʒjʊərɪ are spelling-pronunciations, and there is no historical justification for any distinction at all, but is it not passing strange that we could finish up with two equal and opposite distinctions, depending which way these pronunciations jump: in the direction of LPD's §ˈdʒuː ri ǁ ˈdʒuː ri for 'Jewry' vs. ˈdʒʊər |i ˈ ǁ ˈdʒʊr |i for 'jury', or in the direction of OED's ˈdʒjʊərɪ for 'Jewry' vs. ˈdʒʊəri for 'jury'?<br /><br />Of course LPD's other variants dʒɜːr-, ˈdʒɔːr- may be an indication that ʊə → wɜː has indeed extended to 'jury' at least, with the palatoalveolar causing loss of w, or that 'jury' is in any case one of Ian Bekker's exceptions with /o:/!mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-33644375256876551162010-02-18T13:23:49.492+00:002010-02-18T13:23:49.492+00:00Have a nice break.Have a nice break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com