tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post1301527718683345768..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: Oi, SuomiJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-44980109484469780572009-06-27T00:18:17.349+01:002009-06-27T00:18:17.349+01:00To Lipman:
I'd expect [øy], but I hear someth...To Lipman:<br /><br />I'd expect [øy], but I hear something like [œʏ]. To me it sounds like Norwegian au rather than Norwegian øy.<br /><br />However, I'm not sure that my friend Olli in Finland agrees with me.Lance Eccleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04712002642501309020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-64511127123224063692009-06-26T12:45:12.331+01:002009-06-26T12:45:12.331+01:00What would one expect?What would one expect?Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-53320436941216280052009-06-26T10:50:23.053+01:002009-06-26T10:50:23.053+01:00The words of the Finlandia hymn don't contain ...The words of the Finlandia hymn don't contain the diphthong öy, as in pöytä (table). It's not exactly what you'd expect – rather like Dutch ui.Lance Eccleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04712002642501309020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-73522245806481493172009-06-25T11:36:02.186+01:002009-06-25T11:36:02.186+01:00(This Sibelius-guy worked up some cloyingly sweet ...(This Sibelius-guy worked up some cloyingly sweet words, btw!)<br />Personally, I have difficulty distinguishing the two vowels in 'että', which is odd considering the fact that my native Dutch (as you'll know, of course) draws a strict distinction between front and back a (both unrounded), i.e. I would expect this would give me ample phonetic 'elbowroom' to find a proper spot for 'ä'. Is this perhaps due to the closeness of Dutch e (ε) and æ?de cuuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498514660234870861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-61937192187439241322009-06-24T22:56:03.983+01:002009-06-24T22:56:03.983+01:00hello John,
is the pronunciation of 'one'...hello John,<br /><br />is the pronunciation of 'one' rhyming with 'con' a shibboleth northern pronunciation?<br /><br />why ar northerners who 'southernise' or americanise their pronunciation invariably insensible to 'one' rhyming with 'sun' e.g. northerners eric idle, john lennon (in his song 'imagine'), cecil parkinson, mike yarwood, russ abbot, julie walters - all northerners but clueless that 'one' rhymes with 'fun'.<br /><br />ta loads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-77804094327545755862009-06-24T22:12:44.106+01:002009-06-24T22:12:44.106+01:00@Lipman: length = segment duration, generally dict...@Lipman: length = segment duration, generally dictated by the music. They were told to split long consonants between syllables, e.g. koit-taa, which worked.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-63588966419835464212009-06-24T21:34:15.378+01:002009-06-24T21:34:15.378+01:00In North America, at least, /u/ is steadily moving...In North America, at least, /u/ is steadily moving forward, to the point where <i><a href="http://fred.wheatonma.edu/wordpressmu/mdrout/" rel="nofollow">Anglo-Saxon Aloud</a></i> tends to make the Old English u's and y's sound too similar.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-13206684820544285092009-06-24T21:02:35.800+01:002009-06-24T21:02:35.800+01:00Long consonants?
Long vowels in strange positions?...Long consonants?<br />Long vowels in strange positions?<br />"Continental" vowels? (But that's always a hard one for the English singer. Maybe more today, when there's no more [u:] and [i:].)Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.com