tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post1480017536803617899..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: 100 years agoJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-26068003033864225972020-07-08T21:45:12.101+01:002020-07-08T21:45:12.101+01:00Haloo pak^^
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http://en.wikipe...The 1932 version is on Wikipedia:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_International_Phonetic_AlphabetJHJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03257258313943639485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-33559769427122376762012-06-16T13:11:23.350+01:002012-06-16T13:11:23.350+01:00Sewell is a different case if he believes that the...Sewell is a different case if he believes that the way he speaks is somehow superior and entitles him to look down on the great unwashed. I say "if".JHJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03257258313943639485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-15296520501834911922012-06-16T09:56:14.784+01:002012-06-16T09:56:14.784+01:00Do too what?Do too what?Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-62693200269127521132012-06-16T09:55:42.587+01:002012-06-16T09:55:42.587+01:00Then he is obviously wrong and not worth spending ...Then he is obviously wrong and not worth spending word on. Brian Sewell - a few of his horrendous 'gaffes' apart - is not a different case. How can you say it is not OK to mock Benn and Athill, but "Brian Sewell is a different case". No, he isn't. Why would you not mock Benn and Athill and mock Sewell? He has said repeatedly that he did not have elocution lessons as a child, was bullied because of the way he speaks and that it was just an accent he picked up from his parents.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-69690995089006087292012-06-16T08:42:36.846+01:002012-06-16T08:42:36.846+01:00I'm not sure what this question means. "S...I'm not sure what this question means. "Standard of IPA"? Do you mean the IPA Chart? <br /><br />See almost any book on phonetics published before that year: for example, my "Practical Phonetics" (with Greta Colson, Pitman, 1971) reproduced the then current IPA Chart. Don't expect to find everything on-line: you may have to consult an old-fashioned printed book. Go to a library, go to a second-hand bookshop.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-82363267256229281902012-06-16T05:59:25.522+01:002012-06-16T05:59:25.522+01:00As someone born in New Jersey and living in New Yo...As someone born in New Jersey and living in New York for three decades, it's not surprising that I do too.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42257168888174501842012-06-16T04:40:45.044+01:002012-06-16T04:40:45.044+01:00Seconded: I have heard /ˈɪsju:/ in many different...Seconded: I have heard /ˈɪsju:/ in many different varieties of contemporary British speech.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-8010308582718267042012-06-15T23:04:53.680+01:002012-06-15T23:04:53.680+01:00I'm not. Evlekis says that his way of speakin...I'm not. Evlekis says that his way of speaking should have "pride of place" and that London is the "RP catchment area". This is his muddled way of saying that everyone should speak like him. I don't believe that at all. I'm the one who is against such attitudes.<br /><br />Actually I don't think that many people hate old-fashioned RP speakers merely because of how they speak. Nobody mocks how Tony Benn or Diana Athill speak. Brian Sewell is a different case. I saw him says on a programme hosted by John Prescott a few years ago that northern accents suggest low intelligence. Indeed, he thinks that he's superior to everyone and once called Victoria Beckham a "common little bitch" on live telly. When a man acts like this, he deserves everything he gets.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-87885204467003008162012-06-15T23:03:53.010+01:002012-06-15T23:03:53.010+01:00What was the 1976 standard of IPA like? I've b...What was the 1976 standard of IPA like? I've been searching everywhere for it, but the Internet has been no avail.Fernando Lamadridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15676042569584596142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-77492534157257221502012-06-15T21:54:56.297+01:002012-06-15T21:54:56.297+01:00I really didn't see his attitudes in that way....I really didn't see his attitudes in that way. How did you deduce that? <br /><br />He also manages to mess up the comment - OK, I did that too in this or that other post - and also call Nigel Hawthorne - Trevor.<br /><br />What however is an embarrassment in my view is you - and I am not being rude, I hope the tone translates well - or any other person telling another how they can speak or not. If someone wants to sound like Brian Sewell, his choice. So what?Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-5617577170753165562012-06-15T21:51:44.946+01:002012-06-15T21:51:44.946+01:00For some reason, the SQUARE vowel doesn't attr...For some reason, the SQUARE vowel doesn't attract as much interest as others. There's not been a huge amount of research on it. I suspect that Petyt's findings in West Yorkshire would be typical for most of the country. He found a movement first from <b>eə</b> to <b>ɛə</b> and then from <b>ɛə</b> to <b>ɛ:</b><br /><br />Unless you use a Lancastrian <b>ɜː</b>, your SQUARE vowel is unlikely to be noticed by anyone.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-16534130736020723522012-06-15T21:44:13.132+01:002012-06-15T21:44:13.132+01:00Actually [isju:] is still used a lot on the BBC (I...Actually [isju:] is still used a lot on the BBC (I listen mostly to Radio 4). I don't think that I've heard [væljuəbl] though.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-87470833602691616662012-06-15T21:41:52.733+01:002012-06-15T21:41:52.733+01:00As you can see from the comment by Evlekis here, s...As you can see from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Received_Pronunciation#A_return_to_the_above" rel="nofollow">comment</a> by Evlekis here, some people still insist that this is the only acceptable form. I think that such attitudes are an embarrassment to my country.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-4979928771151510732012-06-15T20:23:06.789+01:002012-06-15T20:23:06.789+01:00The realisation of valuable [væljuəbl] and issue [...The realisation of valuable [væljuəbl] and issue [isju:] is pretty dated too. Surely [væljəbl] (or similar) and [iʃu:] are nigh-on universal now.Harry Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01675794936870568336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-81081323842549190442012-06-15T17:40:56.721+01:002012-06-15T17:40:56.721+01:00Conservative, U-RP speakers used to say gɔ:n and ɔ...Conservative, U-RP speakers used to say <b>gɔ:n</b> and <b>ɔ:f</b>, but also <b>hɑːntʃ</b>, <b>lɑːntʃ</b>, <b>ˈlɑːndri</b>.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-29697824646283895782012-06-15T17:36:33.221+01:002012-06-15T17:36:33.221+01:00It can be a monophthong, but some modern RP speake...It can be a monophthong, but some modern RP speakers have a diphthong. It is their diphthong that I was interested in in therms of openness andabout the dipthong from the start of the last century.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-31355806598854998932012-06-15T17:33:39.654+01:002012-06-15T17:33:39.654+01:00New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia and the Carolin...New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia and the Carolinas have <b>ˈhɑːrəbl̩</b>, <b>ˈɑːrədʒɪn</b>. General American and Canadian English have <b>ɔ</b>.<br /><br />I have to say that this is the first time I hear people not knowing that RP has <b>ɒ</b>.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57712813496140615772012-06-15T17:21:50.039+01:002012-06-15T17:21:50.039+01:00That said, though, there are Americans for whom on...That said, though, there are Americans for whom <i>on</i> and/or <i>gone</i> are in the THOUGHT lexical set. I say /ɑn/ but /gɔn/ myself, and I have LOT=PALM, THOUGHT=CLOTH.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.com