tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post2269032492749400980..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: mayoral electionsJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-18548924686940542862020-07-08T21:55:34.571+01:002020-07-08T21:55:34.571+01:00Haloo pak^^
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"I...Some more data from John Esling: he writes<br />"I just did a one off search of YouTube, and the first try gave this:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZuM-zothyY<br />Wouldn't you know, the news anchor (very white-Northern-sounding for Texas - but that's what standarizing networks do) said the same as a Canadian anchor would - stress definitely on syll two. However, the black news reporter (at min. 0:26) stressed syll one."Peter Roachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12804550116354318809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-91155695142327736242012-04-28T19:41:10.727+01:002012-04-28T19:41:10.727+01:00Peter Roach writes:
"I checked ˈmeɪɔːrəl with...Peter Roach writes:<br />"I checked <b>ˈmeɪɔːrəl</b> with John Esling, as our native-speaker American editor, and he says it is a perfectly acceptable American pronunciation. He sent me a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKvMz4wFamc" rel="nofollow">YouTube clip</a>, where there are a couple of "mayoral" examples in the first 12 sec or so, though since these come in a cartoon they cannot be taken too seriously. He is going to look for other examples."<br /><br />Any comments from Americans out there?John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-2343019644402877142012-04-28T03:03:16.118+01:002012-04-28T03:03:16.118+01:00As an RP speaker living in (southern) England, I s...As an RP speaker living in (southern) England, I still think of "mayor" as having two syllables. I might often realise it as "mare" or something approaching it, but only to the same extent that I might also say "ozone lare".Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627322349797202893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-76102593882723731422012-04-26T17:12:02.797+01:002012-04-26T17:12:02.797+01:00I'd agree—the vowels are the only real phoneti...I'd agree—the vowels are the only real phonetic action in Chicago.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06175428302742832802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-58058412009590308452012-04-26T01:21:29.634+01:002012-04-26T01:21:29.634+01:00As an ex-Brit living in the US, I would have put h...As an ex-Brit living in the US, I would have put heavy money on 'meɪ.ɚ being the more common pronunciation.<br /><br />Of course, that may well be because I'm more likely to notice pronunciations that differ from what my mental dictionary expects.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-50336000650090387262012-04-26T01:12:42.130+01:002012-04-26T01:12:42.130+01:00I'm more likely to sayˈmɛərəl than meɪ'ɔ:r...I'm more likely to say<b>ˈmɛərəl</b> than <b>meɪ'ɔ:rəl</b>, but it's not a certainty. I'm sure I've heard the latter — probably in radio or TV reports. And it's a perfectly logical spelling pronunciation. <br /><br />Once heard, not completely forgotten — not until the word mayoral becomes a commonplace that I hear all the time. As I don't live in London or the other cities contemplating mayoral elections, there's no sign of this happening.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-59577725537012694892012-04-25T19:16:26.698+01:002012-04-25T19:16:26.698+01:00My intuition is that the disyllabic pronunciation ...My intuition is that the disyllabic pronunciation '<strong>meɪɚ</strong> is more common in the US. But that's also my own pronunciation and <strong>mer</strong> (= <em>mare</em>) is your pronunciation. I'm noticing a pattern here. Hmmm...Jason Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399373762677357587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-11712248034622988252012-04-25T19:06:42.705+01:002012-04-25T19:06:42.705+01:00In my experience (my father and his family are fro...In my experience (my father and his family are from the Chicago area), a lot of that "vicious slander" comes from Chicagoans themselves (Maybe that's what you meant by "lampooned locally"). I've never heard <strong>də</strong> for <em>the</em> from Chicagoans either*, but a lot of them (especially guys) still insist that they use it and that saying <strong>d</strong> instead of <strong>ð</strong> is what characterizes a Chicago accent. As an outsider, however, the differences I notice are entirely with the vowels.<br /><br />* Well not from white Chicagoans at least. Chicago AAVE might be different. Hispanic Chicago speech may be different too.Jason Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399373762677357587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-30548489030981351982012-04-25T15:37:52.617+01:002012-04-25T15:37:52.617+01:00As an American living in the shadow of Chicago, I ...As an American living in the shadow of Chicago, I can report that your generalization is right. /ˈmeɪɚ/ is probably how I'd refer to the holder of that office in most situations. /meɹ/ if I'm speaking fairly casually. Or after the direct article. Chicagoans have been lampooned locally for saying /hɪ'zɑnɚ də meɹ/, spelled "hizzoner da mare". But that's vicious slander. We say /ðə/.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06175428302742832802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-20692080033062076202012-04-25T14:13:28.157+01:002012-04-25T14:13:28.157+01:00For me the citation pronunciations are /ˈmeɪɚ/ and...For me the citation pronunciations are /ˈmeɪɚ/ and /ˈmeɪərəl/ (or with syllabic /l/), but certainly /meɪr/ (not /mɛr/) does appear in my allegro speech, particularly in a position without sentence stress, as with a name following. It feels much more natural to say "Mare Bloomberg" than "Who's the mare of this town?"John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-13272063801428679082012-04-25T13:58:50.900+01:002012-04-25T13:58:50.900+01:00Interesting -- I don't know if I would rhyme &...Interesting -- I don't know if I would rhyme "mayor" with "player" as an AmE speaker. For me "mayor" rhymes with "mare", but I have heard a variant that's slight more than monosyllabic. However, the medial glide is definitely not as constricted as in "player"; I wonder if this is a reflex of the morpheme boundary in "player" but not "mayor". My intuition is that monosyllabic "mayor" is more common in the US, but then I don't have quantitative data on the distribution. For "mayoral" I have penultimate stress; I can't swear to having ever heard initial stress here.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13845139257399756782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-34838468529333139092012-04-25T10:27:53.563+01:002012-04-25T10:27:53.563+01:00"I’ve sometimes wondered whether Mare Street ..."I’ve sometimes wondered whether <i>Mare</i> Street in Hackney in northeast London ought really to be spelt <i>Mayor</i> Street."<br /><br /><em>Place-names of Middlesex</em> (English Place-name Society, 1942) gives early forms as <em>Merestrete</em> (1550), <em>Merestret</em> and <em>Meerstreete</em> (1593), <em>Mayre street</em> (1605), <em>Marestreete</em> (1621), and <em>Meare street</em> (1741-5) and explains the name as 'probably ME <em>mere</em>, <em>meare</em>, "boundary" ... from the position of the hamlet on the parish boundary'.Steve Doerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210787261745134371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-39495751590523997342012-04-25T10:27:44.303+01:002012-04-25T10:27:44.303+01:00I just asked my (Scottish) wife whether mayor rhym...I just asked my (Scottish) wife whether <i>mayor</i> rhymes with <i>mare</i> or <i>player</i>. She said she thought it was closer to the latter, but she actually thought all three were rhymes.Thomas Widmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00556092637506486689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-46558157452261497492012-04-25T09:52:36.444+01:002012-04-25T09:52:36.444+01:00Now I'm curious. Anyone happen to be near a li...Now I'm curious. Anyone happen to be near a <a href="http://copac.ac.uk/search?&ti=why+mare+street" rel="nofollow">library</a>?Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.com