tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post2880421404453840369..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: twirliesJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-59781122915052440722019-12-19T05:06:26.818+00:002019-12-19T05:06:26.818+00:00After visiting https://dissertation-center.co.uk/d...After visiting <a href="https://dissertation-center.co.uk/dissertation-riters-for-hire" rel="nofollow">https://dissertation-center.co.uk/dissertation-riters-for-hire</a> you will learn more about hiring professional dissertation writers. I had such experience and it was useful Richard Majecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00744139132776752086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-71845152662140381202011-03-17T10:15:58.840+00:002011-03-17T10:15:58.840+00:00But doesn’t anyone agree that Noel Coward was a pa...But doesn’t anyone agree that Noel Coward was a paradigm case of precisely those things? Jocularity, hyperactivity, clipped-to-the-quick non-genuine phonetic developments, and facetiousness. That was my point about the likelihood that he might quite routinely say [ˈtwɜːlɪ] for "too early".mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-12848656154455199392011-03-17T02:21:55.636+00:002011-03-17T02:21:55.636+00:00@ Tonio: Surely that's a facetious pronunciat...@ Tonio: Surely that's a facetious pronunciation.Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-48310297580228483372011-03-17T00:15:20.957+00:002011-03-17T00:15:20.957+00:00Yes: couldn't "twirly" be just a joc...Yes: couldn't "twirly" be just a jocular form? Probably a parody of an over-anxious, or very hasty, pronouncing style. Not a genuine phonetic development.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-72328734322726798042011-03-16T23:08:41.694+00:002011-03-16T23:08:41.694+00:00I'm reminded of a friend of mine who compresse...I'm reminded of a friend of mine who compresses <i>Let's go eat</i> to [skwiːt] (well, [skwit], because we're Americans without contrastive vowel length).Tonio Greennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-40092512867748868902011-03-16T19:30:22.810+00:002011-03-16T19:30:22.810+00:00Hearing Noel Coward in my head, I think he might a...Hearing Noel Coward in my head, I think he might actually say [ˈtwɜːlɪ] for "too early". That might even have been why he came up with the pun.<br /><br />As for "two o'clock" and "to a clock", I cannot convince myself that I always have the three syllables JW requires in "two o'clock". For me the allophones of "two o'clock" are roughly ˈtʊu̯ əˈklɒk , ˈtʊ.əˈklɒk, and ˈtʊəˈklɒk, and the allophones of "to a clock" are tʊ.əˈklɒk, tʊəˈklɒk and twəˈklɒk, unless of course I am saying ˈtʊu̯ əklɒk to stress the "to". So "two o'clock" and "to a clock" are actually homophonous with respect to two of those allophones, the only difference being the suprasegmentals. <br /><br />What is more, using the representation "tour clock" with and without stress on the "tour" I find that that difference is not enough for me to reliably tell them apart. I strongly suspect a good few other RP speakers would find this too, but I have not had a chance to test this suspicion.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-23157814550867969392011-03-16T17:14:25.552+00:002011-03-16T17:14:25.552+00:00@Anonymous
I'm afraid I don't know.@Anonymous<br /><br />I'm afraid I don't know.John Maidmenthttp://blogjam.namenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-79346303046974258012011-03-16T17:07:10.335+00:002011-03-16T17:07:10.335+00:00@John Maidment: a Noel Coward invention am I right...@John Maidment: a Noel Coward invention am I right ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-21590045907440034652011-03-16T11:50:16.824+00:002011-03-16T11:50:16.824+00:00There is an old, old riddle:
Q: Why is five in th...There is an old, old riddle:<br /><br />Q: Why is five in the morning like a pig's tail?<br />A: Because it's twirly.John Maidmenthttp://blogjam.namenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57470940500404248102011-03-16T10:48:27.476+00:002011-03-16T10:48:27.476+00:00I'm pretty sure I heard this some years ago — ...I'm pretty sure I heard this some years ago — as an alleged expression, that is. It has always struck me as a joke, not a natural development.<br /><br />What makes the joke almost plausible is that the word <i>too</i> is, in this unusual context, almost entirely redundant. <i>Am I early?</i> would do just as well.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-83662562390291377592011-03-16T10:44:31.121+00:002011-03-16T10:44:31.121+00:00I hadn't heard of this usage, but funnily enou...I hadn't heard of this usage, but funnily enough it's a pun that had occurred to me, but I hadn't found an occasion to try it out on anyone. Of course, I can't now, not now that I know it would violate a general rule of English phonetics.Steve Doerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410868047916610730noreply@blogger.com