tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post380570354155660897..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: booking hotelsJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-64623218561675529842017-08-12T07:15:46.980+01:002017-08-12T07:15:46.980+01:00lovely post Best Wedding photographer in jaipurlovely post <a href="http://www.kalacolourlab.in" rel="nofollow">Best Wedding photographer in jaipur</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01589147606127094812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-24424662723422683692012-04-14T00:53:09.914+01:002012-04-14T00:53:09.914+01:00“Astronomically, north is defined as the direction...“Astronomically, <i>north</i> is defined as the direction at any point on the surface most nearly parallel to the planet's angular-velocity vector (that is, on the left as the observer faces parallel to the tangential velocity), or the region in which /ʌ/ and /ʊ/ are merged.” --<a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3899#comment-188925" rel="nofollow">Jerry Friedman</a>army1987https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166052755101226806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19862753777880186112012-04-13T15:51:04.135+01:002012-04-13T15:51:04.135+01:00And even in RP, there's /ʊ/ in "pudding&q...And even in RP, there's /ʊ/ in "pudding" and hence also "pud", so "gud" etc isn't <i>so</i> disastrous a spelling.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627322349797202893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-35701717176965423222012-04-13T10:26:17.079+01:002012-04-13T10:26:17.079+01:00Go raibh maith agat us ucht an ruda seo a rá, a Jo...Go raibh maith agat us ucht an ruda seo a rá, a John.Michael Eversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16882679137179765872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-27068124522323550602012-04-12T19:46:55.437+01:002012-04-12T19:46:55.437+01:00Anyway the isogloss in question (oyt) doesn’t foll...<i>Anyway the isogloss in question (oyt) doesn’t follow the political border: It cuts through counties Donegal and Cavan—both in the Republic.</i><br /><br />That's why I usually say “Ulster English” rather than “Northern Ireland English”.army1987https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166052755101226806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-9265457938496919782012-04-12T19:44:06.207+01:002012-04-12T19:44:06.207+01:00I've done the same, and I probably did even be...I've done the same, and I probably did even before going to Dublin and picking up the FOOT-STRUT merger. <u> <em>is</em> pronounced as FOOT in <i>put</i>, after all.army1987https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166052755101226806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-90407024738045209942012-04-12T18:25:33.707+01:002012-04-12T18:25:33.707+01:00Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXsozJoIJos&a...Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXsozJoIJos&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL3D2A1E8D62ABD892 one can hear both the deputy returning officer for Antrim North and Ian Paisley saying (in 1974) "thousand" (repeatedly), "count" and perhaps some other MOUTH words. How would you transcribe that pronunciation?Italo arditohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02765182984634579556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-54901474876832996642012-04-12T16:23:35.993+01:002012-04-12T16:23:35.993+01:00It's just occurred to me that Northerners use ...It's just occurred to me that Northerners use <i>u</i> for /ʊ/ in txt spk. For example, "good" becomes "gud", "could" becomes "cud", "would" becomes "wud", etc.<br /><br />I imagine that this doesn't seem very sensible to anyone outside the northern half of England.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-15606141872394825482012-04-12T16:07:27.207+01:002012-04-12T16:07:27.207+01:00@John Cowan: Everything you say about the politica...@John Cowan: Everything you say about the political terms is pretty much OK, except that <i>Ireland</i> is also a geographical term, referring to the island as a whole. For this reason it's often avoided as a political term when there could be confusion, hence the widespread and sensible use of <i>Republic of Ireland</i>.<br /><br />You have a point though, that “Republic of Ireland” should really be spelt with a small R. But it’s not—it’s always spelt with a capital.<br /><br />Anyway the isogloss in question (<i>oyt</i>) doesn’t follow the political border: It cuts through counties Donegal and Cavan—both in the Republic.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13722482936100504510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-77655513894191403722012-04-12T15:21:49.875+01:002012-04-12T15:21:49.875+01:00Ahem.
The country, as even the U.K. government no...Ahem.<br /><br />The country, as even the U.K. government now concedes, is called 'Ireland'. If you wish to avoid confusing it with the island of Ireland, which even the Irish government now concedes is not coextensive with the country, you may describe it as 'the republic of Ireland' (it is the only republic on the island) or, less standardly, as 'the Irish republic' (it is the only Irish republic in the world). But these are descriptions, not names, and do not take capital letters.<br /><br />Just another polite notice from your resident Political Officer.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-9030525396112527562012-04-12T15:14:49.061+01:002012-04-12T15:14:49.061+01:00In a British context, this spelling device is very...In a British context, this spelling device is very familiar in the expression "oop north" (= up north). <br />Too bad for Americans.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-21647347885870340262012-04-12T15:12:26.866+01:002012-04-12T15:12:26.866+01:00I (American) do have the FOOT-STRUT split, and I a...I (American) do have the FOOT-STRUT split, and I also would not associate <i>oo</i> with /ʊ/. While <i>oo</i> is the only way /ʊ/ is spelled for me (I'm pretty sure, anyway), still, if sounding something out <i>oo</i> is always /u:/. So, there wouldn't be any way to eye-dialect spell a word to indicate /ʊ/ as the vowel.Ellen Kozisekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16856539181411664278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-39790493393183342572012-04-12T14:05:41.755+01:002012-04-12T14:05:41.755+01:00You're quite right - oyt is definitely what Du...You're quite right - <i>oyt</i> is definitely what Dubliners would call a "Nordie accent". And <i>ter</i> is a particularly unfortunate choice of eye dialect, as Army1987 points out.<br /><br />In fact I can't help taking offence at this linguistic ignorance of my home country!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13722482936100504510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-46878257049590623202012-04-12T13:23:10.290+01:002012-04-12T13:23:10.290+01:00I agree that ter for [tə] is inappropriate for Iri...I agree that ter for [tə] is inappropriate for Irish. It doesn't seem necessary when almost all English speakers use [tə] as a weak form.<br /><br />This is the problem with eye-dialect. As a speaker with no FOOT-STRUT split, I associate <i>oo</i> with /u:/ and not with /ʊ/. I associate <i>u</i> with /ʊ/. I think that this makes sense for writing in such an accent, as otherwise you end up using <i>oo</i> for two phonemes and not using <i>u</i> at all, since /ʌ/ is absent from these accents.<br /><br />I wonder if anyone not familiar with Stoke can work out the eye-dialect in <a href="http://www.thepotteries.org/dialect.html#mar" rel="nofollow">May and Mar Lady</a>.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19030532712212328352012-04-12T12:11:50.110+01:002012-04-12T12:11:50.110+01:00And I ought to have mentioned that authentic Cockn...And I ought to have mentioned that authentic Cockney rhyming slang involves suppression of the rhyming element (e.g. as in <i>butcher's</i> 'look', from <i>butcher's hook</i>). So you'd get just <i>Bob</i> and <i>bees</i> here.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-33757945382201600272012-04-12T12:09:15.174+01:002012-04-12T12:09:15.174+01:00Yes, I ought to have mentioned ter (= to), which m...Yes, I ought to have mentioned <i>ter</i> (= to), which makes sense only to non-rhotic speakers.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-24606776873766206782012-04-12T12:04:49.711+01:002012-04-12T12:04:49.711+01:00I read the last one as Birmingham, though the '...I read the last one as Birmingham, though the 'nuttin' is odd.maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12280199499659410185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-30802052141725453882012-04-12T11:01:25.154+01:002012-04-12T11:01:25.154+01:00Nuttin had better be noottin, as lower-class Dubli...<i>Nuttin</i> had better be <i>noottin</i>, as lower-class Dubliners merge FOOT and STRUT.<br /><br />Why the hell <i>ter</i>? <i>Ta</i> would have sufficed (and wouldn't have puzzled me as much).<br /><br />I've never figured out what the deal is with the realizations of MOUTH in Ulster English -- they seem to range (roughly) from [aɨ] to [ɔʉ] (which would have sounded like PRICE and GOAT to me respectively before I got used to them) even for the same speaker. Do they depend on the syllable coda, on the individual word (and hence potentially phonemic), are they in free variation, or what? (BTW, in Dublin it's usually [æʊ]~[ɛʊ] or thereabouts. I can't think of an eye-dialect respelling for that.)army1987https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166052755101226806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-54815908669001149292012-04-12T10:21:45.108+01:002012-04-12T10:21:45.108+01:00You can look forward to the publication later this...You can look forward to the publication later this year of <i>Crystal's Adventures in Wonderland</i> (Crystal Palace, Alice)...Michael Eversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16882679137179765872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-90100351834380024882012-04-12T10:19:50.519+01:002012-04-12T10:19:50.519+01:00In Belfast [aʊt] will be pronounced [ɔyt] (not ɔɪt...In Belfast [aʊt] will be pronounced [ɔyt] (not ɔɪt) though.Michael Eversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16882679137179765872noreply@blogger.com