tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post5234580055652194061..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: instances of incidenceJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-69226488076917870992019-09-20T16:15:40.691+01:002019-09-20T16:15:40.691+01:00https://pubgforpc.mobi/
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I would not have ascribed the choice of words to phonetics at all, but to the same principle that makes some people, such as the writers of radio advertisements, speak (to my great irritation) of "scientific advancements" when they mean scientific advances.Miles Rindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733605717776262840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-79765887235353245852010-09-16T18:39:08.841+01:002010-09-16T18:39:08.841+01:00Molly, my immediate reaction to the Guardian quote...Molly, my immediate reaction to the Guardian quote was to recognize it in the sense of the No. 1. definition given by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition: "The act or an instance of happening; occurrence: did not expect criticism and was surprised by its incidence". But I first checked it in the OED, which was a complete waste of time, as I subsequently saw John C had already discovered.<br /><br />Even the definition John W gives – “the number of times something happens, especially crime, disease etc” doesn't seem to exclude “the number of times bogus companies cold-call people”.<br /><br />I still incline to the semantic explanation, but I'm happy to be encouraged by your eggcorn to see his eggcorn hypothesis as part of the picture.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-79274629735733078612010-09-16T18:08:51.656+01:002010-09-16T18:08:51.656+01:00The eggcorns forum notes "coinstance" fo...The eggcorns forum notes "coinstance" for "coincidence".mollymoolynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-78902914504878253532010-09-16T14:44:23.532+01:002010-09-16T14:44:23.532+01:00I think this is cross-linguistic: it's very co...I think this is cross-linguistic: it's very common for natives to say to fluent foreigners "You speak better <name of language> than I do", because it's schooled rather than natural speech.<br /><br />But as for <i>incidence</i>, I think that a purely semantic explanation is available. From <i>the incidence of diabetes</i> (the number of cases per year), it is a fairly small step to <i>an incidence</i> (an occurrence), and then of course to <i>incidences</i>. <i>Instance</i> may not have been involved at all. Unfortunately, the OED Online entry for <i>incidence</i> is pretty much pure OED1, with just a few post-1900 examples in the scientific senses.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-32754098237416087962010-09-16T14:40:06.957+01:002010-09-16T14:40:06.957+01:00@ Gadi: I was thinking that too.@ Gadi: I was thinking that too.Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-46889724703429332782010-09-16T14:38:00.367+01:002010-09-16T14:38:00.367+01:00I would think this only applies to British English...I would think this only applies to British English? I'm guessing flapping would render this an impossibility in American English; certainly this is the case in my idiolect. Also, I'm totally willing to accept the usage of "incidence" above. COCA turns up 249 hits for "incidences", and 3 for "isolated incidences".Ryan Denzer-Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002265789312603377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-2374200627200945782010-09-16T14:04:27.923+01:002010-09-16T14:04:27.923+01:00I'm not at all sure that this isn't just a...I'm not at all sure that this isn't just a case of lack of understanding of the distinction between the two words, and not necessarily because of pronunciation.<br />Whoever wrote that might just think that "There are incidences of" is another way to say "Many incidences were report of".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06764239527844866487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-20920676326722663792010-09-16T12:23:25.871+01:002010-09-16T12:23:25.871+01:00@ Anonymous: Yes, I think you're right. As a ...@ Anonymous: Yes, I think you're right. As a native speaker, that's one of the main things I've noticed about non-native speakers of English is that their speech sounds too perfect and correct, if that makes sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-61107877100551031522010-09-16T12:18:57.219+01:002010-09-16T12:18:57.219+01:00By the way, I think J.D. O'Connor's books ...By the way, I think J.D. O'Connor's books are the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-66950315969861381522010-09-16T10:10:53.278+01:002010-09-16T10:10:53.278+01:00I suppose these are the things which make one'...I suppose these are the things which make one's speech sound native-like. We non-natives have to learn first the "correct" forms and then the English way to make them "incorrect". The question is: Could one sound perfectly English by speaking just as is recommended in J.D. O'Connor's books for foreign learners?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com