tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post7213535950587808511..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: resolution of syllabic consonantsJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-68557099806388606062011-03-28T15:11:48.279+01:002011-03-28T15:11:48.279+01:00sounding 'childish',
does it refer to the...sounding 'childish',<br /><br />does it refer to the use of syllabic consonant(nasal, lateral release)<br /><br />or shewa + nonsyllabic consonant( tendancy to avoid nasal, lateral release)?레오니스https://www.blogger.com/profile/15413343972711027329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-53380464548677393392011-03-28T15:06:44.786+01:002011-03-28T15:06:44.786+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.레오니스https://www.blogger.com/profile/15413343972711027329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56039630562329720722010-06-25T03:39:13.152+01:002010-06-25T03:39:13.152+01:00Lipman mentions Tom Corr Road but this is not new....Lipman mentions Tom Corr Road but this is not new. When my father was a teacher in Croydon in the '30's and '40's he would relate how he would ask a boy where he lived and would receive the reply "Forneaf, sir". (Thornton Heath). As he was a Welsh speaker it probably struck him more forcibly than it would a native Londoner.Tudor Hughesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-17764756900873847762010-06-18T22:57:11.891+01:002010-06-18T22:57:11.891+01:00@Derek Rogers: or [j] glide?@Derek Rogers: or [j] glide?mollymoolynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-38694957148246681442010-06-18T16:35:31.642+01:002010-06-18T16:35:31.642+01:00Two points:
1) There's a demonstration on my ...Two points:<br /><br />1) There's a demonstration on my own blog <a href="http://derekthelinguist.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/syllabic-or-non-syllabic/" rel="nofollow"> ('derekthelinguist.wordpress.com')</a> of syllabic and non-syllabic consonants, using a clip from a recent BBC Radio 2 trail. I find the length of the schwa startling.<br /><br />2) If word-final /l/ before a vowel changes to /o/, then this opens the way for a glide [w]. Could it be argued that all adjacent vowels in PopBrit show either a [w] glide or an [r] glide?Derek Rogershttp://www.derek.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42726972068757454732010-06-18T11:36:43.262+01:002010-06-18T11:36:43.262+01:00@ anonymous, 11:09:
the /d/ in "called me&qu...@ anonymous, 11:09:<br /><br />the /d/ in "called me" would not be dropped:<br />/kɔːod/ meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-38646840161563612012010-06-18T11:33:37.347+01:002010-06-18T11:33:37.347+01:00@ Lazar Taxon:
There is some variation from speak...@ Lazar Taxon:<br /><br />There is some variation from speaker to speaker regarding when /l/ is vocalised.<br /><br />In my experience, it is more common for there to be no l-vocalisation when a monosyllable ending in /l/ comes before a monosyllable beginning with a vowel:<br /><br />"fee/l/ it", "it fe/l/ off" etc. (but I've also heard "fee/o/ it", "fe/o/ off" etc.)<br /><br />When a word of more than one syllable ending in /l/ comes before another word beginning with a vowel, the /l/ is either realised as [ɫ] or [o], depending on the speaker (in my experience, both are as common as each other, regardless of age or gender):<br /><br />"Litt/o/ Italy" or "Litt/l/ Italy", "Midd/o/ Earth" or "Midd/l/ Earth", "e-mai/o/ address" or "e-mai/l/ address".<br /><br />Utterance-finally and before a consonant, /l/ is always vocalised:<br />"I nearly fe/o/", "he/o/p".<br /><br />I've found all the above to be true of all regional accents in southern England.<br /><br />Hope this helps!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-67462093369374677162010-06-18T11:09:17.809+01:002010-06-18T11:09:17.809+01:00A bit off topic but anyway -
if a word like 'c...A bit off topic but anyway -<br />if a word like 'called' is pronounced with its L vocalised eg someone called me -<br />would 'd' in 'called' be dropped or not?<br />(kɔod mi - or - kɔo mi)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-18386967027144198912010-06-18T09:27:09.249+01:002010-06-18T09:27:09.249+01:00Or dropping the stop altogether, for that matter, ...Or dropping the stop altogether, for that matter, especially if you have to say the same phrase a thousand times a day. There's a tube station between Oxford Circus and Holborn at the road named after the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Corr" rel="nofollow">boxer</a> Tom Corr, for instance.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-84479312100606573272010-06-18T09:11:45.493+01:002010-06-18T09:11:45.493+01:00There is also a fourth possibility, an orally rele...There is also a fourth possibility, an orally released glottal stop (<b>ˈbrɪʔən</b>). I think I've heard ‹Manhattan› being pronounced with -<b>ˈhæʔən</b> in rap music.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56205240570541799052010-06-18T09:04:11.923+01:002010-06-18T09:04:11.923+01:00One thing I've always been uncertain on is the...One thing I've always been uncertain on is the question of a "linking l" in l-vocalizing dialects like Cockney or Estuary. How exactly would speakers of these dialects pronounce things like "feel it", "Paul is", "Little Italy" or "Middle Earth"?Lazar Taxonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13221219358689771815noreply@blogger.com