tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post7339402587748867333..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: EugenieJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-84216609850083888412020-07-08T21:50:22.991+01:002020-07-08T21:50:22.991+01:00Haloo pak^^
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Pelayanan CS yang ramah dan Proffesional dan pastinya sangat aman juga bisa anda dapatkan di Sentanapoker.yessy haryantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16503331838637071246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-68316222578812375382012-06-09T08:55:18.680+01:002012-06-09T08:55:18.680+01:00Since the Collegiate gives ˈju:dʒəˌniː so pronunci...Since the Collegiate gives <b>ˈju:dʒəˌniː</b> so pronunciation authorities do give support to Sarah Ferguson. It's one of those words in which <b>dʒ</b> alternates with <b>ʒ</b>.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-39000469595984147332012-06-07T12:05:11.218+01:002012-06-07T12:05:11.218+01:00That's what they sounded to me from the sound ...That's what they sounded to me from the sound fragments that are available on the link I posted. More front than [x] anyway. But then, I'm hard of hearing so my perception of the sound may be wrong.Kilian Hekhuishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01084720179158650652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-30487260135443450592012-06-07T10:42:14.474+01:002012-06-07T10:42:14.474+01:00Eugenia is pronounced ewˈxenja. Where did the pala...<i>Eugenia</i> is pronounced <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Eugenia_Fern%C3%A1ndez_de_C%C3%B3rdoba,_18th_Duchess_of_Medinaceli" rel="nofollow"><b>ewˈxenja</b></a>. Where did the palatal fricatives pop up from?Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-15745252798264121932012-06-07T09:02:00.905+01:002012-06-07T09:02:00.905+01:00"She was apparently named after Princess Vict..."She was apparently named after Princess Victoria Eugenie" - who was in turn named after Eugénie/Eugenia de Montijo, empress of France but born in Spain. In Spanish, it is apparently (http://nl.forvo.com/word/eugenia/) pronounced with <b>ç</b> or <b>ʝ</b>.Kilian Hekhuishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01084720179158650652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-38837499344385191552012-06-06T18:34:36.913+01:002012-06-06T18:34:36.913+01:00Sorry - I meant ˈjuːʒ̊.niː.Sorry - I meant <b>ˈjuːʒ̊.niː</b>.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-49592069829459282892012-06-06T16:34:41.031+01:002012-06-06T16:34:41.031+01:00English lenis fricatives are normally fully voiced...English lenis fricatives are normally fully voiced between vowels or other voiced sounds. I don't think -ən- vs. -n̩- would make any difference.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-56238500122977998772012-06-06T15:12:04.341+01:002012-06-06T15:12:04.341+01:00She was apparently named after Princess Victoria E...She was apparently named after Princess Victoria Eugenie, a granddaughter of Queen Victoria. One wonders how <em>her</em> name was pronounced. As she survived until 1969, the family would surely have known.Steve Doerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210787261745134371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-69544173804068251992012-06-06T15:03:07.677+01:002012-06-06T15:03:07.677+01:00Not sure. Something fricative is going on there, b...Not sure. Something fricative is going on there, but is it <b>tʃɹ</b>? Maybe a voiceless <b>ɹ</b>.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-40321520350988426152012-06-06T14:53:11.640+01:002012-06-06T14:53:11.640+01:00Why not put tʃɹ when pretty much everything else&#...Why not put <b>tʃɹ</b> when pretty much everything else's been rendered phonetically?<br /><br />Count me among the shocked that she is <b>ˈjuːʒəni</b>. What does the Queen call her? Doesn't that also have some relevance?Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19279836773575133422012-06-06T14:40:58.787+01:002012-06-06T14:40:58.787+01:00Sibilants are quite flexible in voice in certain a...Sibilants are quite flexible in voice in certain accents anyway. There's no doubt that phonologically, the name is <b>ˈjuːʒəni</b>, maybe with a schwa in italics in LPD notation.<br /><br />I'm not entirely sure if the <b>n</b> is syllabic - certainly I don't hear a schwa there. If it isn't, the sibilant in question would be at the end of a syllable, more prone to be voiceless.<br /><br />Professor(s)?Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-41169164838898708492012-06-06T13:39:07.703+01:002012-06-06T13:39:07.703+01:00Please, see also my website at http://matters-phon...Please, see also my website at http://matters-phonetic.blogspot.de/2012/06/, where you can hear the name pronounced by Eugenie's mother.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-43651639243833959272012-06-06T13:38:55.508+01:002012-06-06T13:38:55.508+01:00Lenis, lax, if that makes sense for sibilants.Lenis, lax, if that makes sense for sibilants.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-59736118601316322582012-06-06T12:42:28.001+01:002012-06-06T12:42:28.001+01:00Judging from her mother's mumbling I vote for ...Judging from her mother's mumbling I vote for /ˈjuːʃəni/ (with a medial esh).Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-36539539040401425602012-06-06T12:34:26.081+01:002012-06-06T12:34:26.081+01:00Shame she isn't next in line to the throne. Th...Shame she isn't next in line to the throne. That'd finish of the monarchy in no time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57553327559871747652012-06-06T12:17:32.094+01:002012-06-06T12:17:32.094+01:00In this sample, I hear
Beatrice: ˈbɪə̯ʔtɹɪs
Euge...In this sample, I hear<br /><br />Beatrice: <b>ˈbɪə̯ʔtɹɪs</b><br /><br />Eugenie: <b>ˈjuːʒn̩iː</b> I agree the sibilant isn't strongly voiced.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-3087049521791103382012-06-06T12:14:25.970+01:002012-06-06T12:14:25.970+01:00Petr Rösel has found a picture of her fingernails ...Petr Rösel has found a picture of her fingernails <a href="http://i.huffpost.com/gen/633924/thumbs/r-PRINCESS-EUGENIE-NAILS-large.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a>.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-82235540283236865292012-06-06T12:10:53.457+01:002012-06-06T12:10:53.457+01:00Thanks for that clip, which decides the matter - s...Thanks for that clip, which decides the matter - so <b>ˈjuːʒəni</b> is what her mother calls her, and <b>ˈjuːʒəni</b> she must be.<br /><br /><b>naff</b> /næf/ <i>adj BrE informal</i> something that is naff seems silly, especially because it is unfashionable or shows a lack of good taste [LDOCE]John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-83055312760829566512012-06-06T12:07:03.651+01:002012-06-06T12:07:03.651+01:00Oxford BBC Guide to Pronunciation (2006) has:
yoo...<em>Oxford BBC Guide to Pronunciation</em> (2006) has:<br /><br /><strong>yoo</strong>-zhuh-ni /ˈjuːʒəni/Steve Doerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210787261745134371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-50576565864540620912012-06-06T11:15:34.394+01:002012-06-06T11:15:34.394+01:00Here's a clip of Sarah Furguson pronouncing th...Here's a clip of Sarah Furguson pronouncing the names of her daughters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1uh5_12qMU. It seems to indeed be ˈjuːʒəni (or even ˈjuːʃəni?).Kilian Hekhuishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01084720179158650652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-35794949423566018502012-06-06T11:06:12.929+01:002012-06-06T11:06:12.929+01:00"with rather naff union flags" - and ano..."with rather naff union flags" - and another British slang word learned :)Kilian Hekhuishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01084720179158650652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-75831725585338144312012-06-06T09:48:02.080+01:002012-06-06T09:48:02.080+01:00If I may comment on a minor detail, "well-bor...If I may comment on a minor detail, "well-born" in the meaning of "from good ancestry". <br /><br />In modern greek, the meaning has become obscure, since Eυγενία is basically the same word with the common noun ευγένεια "politeness". <br /><br />Nice name, by the way.Αθ. Αναγνωστoπουλοςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904061432127941513noreply@blogger.com