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I'm a happY-tenser ... but, for me, h...Richard<br /><br /><i>I'm a happY-tenser ... but, for me, happY is apt to lax before a consonant in fluent speech.</i><br /><br />Same here, Richard. I guess we could call ourselves happY-tensers but, at times, HAPPi-GO-LUCKi-laxers. And, at other times, mixed HAPPi-GO-luckY.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-72368767970901187922013-04-13T07:46:36.552+01:002013-04-13T07:46:36.552+01:00I'm a happY-tenser (cf my surname below) but, ...I'm a happY-tenser (cf my surname below) but, for me, happY is apt to lax before a consonant in fluent speech. So I might lax it in "money tree", unless I was speaking unusually slowly and carefully. For me, this laxing is obligatory before the inflections -s and -ed ("studded" and "studied" alike must have the lax [ɪ], likewise taxes and taxis) but is otherwise only an option, so "monetary" can be ['mʌnɪˌtʃɹi]. Rapid speech blurs the distinction between [i:] and [i]. The pun works for me.<br /><br />ɹɪtʃəd 'seibiRichard Sabeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06707961497644079468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-44606562156099914072013-04-13T00:30:27.323+01:002013-04-13T00:30:27.323+01:00John Cowan
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...John Cowan<br /><br /><i>Does taxi really have a happY-vowel?</i><br /><br />I don't understand. Are you saying that happy and taxi have had different phonological histories since 1910?<br /><br />For me <i>taxi</i> is one of the words which defines the happY vowel.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-6121749929087240262013-04-13T00:26:59.724+01:002013-04-13T00:26:59.724+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-75602668346597345832013-04-12T19:35:13.158+01:002013-04-12T19:35:13.158+01:00Some Americans definitely have the FLEECE vowel in...Some Americans definitely have the FLEECE vowel in <i>deteriorate</i>. I do, and Merriam-Webster gives KIT as the main pronunciation, but FLEECE as the alternate one. Peter Shorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13823970640202949073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-47420849143907489222013-04-12T16:40:24.297+01:002013-04-12T16:40:24.297+01:00I think I have tensing (1) in study, taxi, happy, ...I think I have tensing (1) in <em>study</em>, <em>taxi</em>, <em>happy</em>, and <em>happier</em>, but not in <em>studied</em>, <em>studies</em>, <em>taxis</em>, and <em>happiness</em>.<br /><br />(1) Other Sherpas are available.Steve Doerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210787261745134371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-40405323738766275962013-04-12T16:16:06.845+01:002013-04-12T16:16:06.845+01:00It would be useful for those of us with a three-wa...It would be useful for those of us with a three-way weak vowel contrast: studied vs. studded vs. "stud had" (as in "I went to get my mare impregnated, but the stud had gone home", with unstressed "had").vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-88697187325282851832013-04-12T16:04:06.636+01:002013-04-12T16:04:06.636+01:00@Ed:
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