tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post7897055456186066224..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: language showJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-15259475444119141312011-10-25T11:55:19.064+01:002011-10-25T11:55:19.064+01:00Strangely, or not, actuary with -tju- comes only w...Strangely, or not, <i>actuary</i> with <b>-tju-</b> comes only with <b>e</b>, not <b>ə</b>.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-91845139677018934342011-10-25T11:53:14.642+01:002011-10-25T11:53:14.642+01:00I've always wondered about the (j)u vs (j)ʊ r...I've always wondered about the <b>(j)u</b> vs <b>(j)ʊ</b> relationship. For example, what for CEPD18 is <b>ˈækjʊpʌŋktʃə</b>, for LPD it's <b>ˈækjupʌŋktʃə</b>. <br /><br />Which one is it? Which one would be more ‘correct’?<br /><br />I'm not really sure I've read the <i>complete</i> set of rules for this, and also <b>i</b> vs. <b>ɪ</b>, but I would love to. Who knows, perhaps this edition brings it somewhere on its first pages.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-60652567621367170802011-10-25T09:15:35.445+01:002011-10-25T09:15:35.445+01:00@ JHJ: What's your view of their transcriptio...@ JHJ: What's your view of their transcription of Adwick-le-Street (using the link provided by Duchesse de Guermantes)? I thought that this was one of those place-names where the w is silent, as in Norwich, Greenwich or Warwick. Are there some locals who say the w in this word?<br /><br />I've checked LPD and it doesn't see the w as silent either.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-33563974605294199082011-10-25T09:08:38.018+01:002011-10-25T09:08:38.018+01:00I don't think "dune" and "June&...I don't think "dune" and "June" are quite the same for me, but they're both affricates. Introspecting (which I know can be unreliable) suggests the former is apical and the latter laminal.<br /><br />The new EPD still seems to mark a number of my pronunciations with "US", based on the sample given.JHJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03257258313943639485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-62225071280224311852011-10-25T09:05:28.722+01:002011-10-25T09:05:28.722+01:00I never read this up, but off-hand, my impression ...I never read this up, but off-hand, my impression is that yod coalenscence come and goes in waves. Or maybe the shifts are more complex and depend on accents and registers. (Until the last decades, it seemed to be more at home in U-RP than in mainstream RP, don'cher know, but I might be imagining this.)<br /><br />John W., could it be that formerly, it depended on the lexeme, while the recent trend is general?<br /><br />(Concerning 'prioritize', I'm not much fond of it but it's practical. AP Herbert already demonized (ha!) what he called the ize-mania in the thirties, and while I often understand his feelings, this condescending purist's view can make one use the word liberally.)Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-22300296125837538232011-10-25T06:53:16.729+01:002011-10-25T06:53:16.729+01:00According to Sandra Clarke, (the author of '&#...According to Sandra Clarke, (the author of ''Newfoundland and Labrador English'' published by Edinburgh University Press), the palatalized pronunciation (tune=choon, deuce = juice) is common in Atlantic Canada.Andamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17425776665727802612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-80624244573093704112011-10-25T06:47:49.014+01:002011-10-25T06:47:49.014+01:00In Wimbledon, they have always pronounced '...In Wimbledon, they have always pronounced ''deuce'' as ''juice''. No news here.Andamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17425776665727802612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-80369647363744260672011-10-25T06:12:42.207+01:002011-10-25T06:12:42.207+01:00I do. Also "dew", "due" and &q...I do. Also "dew", "due" and "Jew".Simon M Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06879703456056313280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-66043333341235399672011-10-25T04:44:43.632+01:002011-10-25T04:44:43.632+01:00Do yod-coalescers have "dune" homophonou...Do yod-coalescers have "dune" homophonous with "June"?vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-82555887884559399782011-10-25T03:47:12.029+01:002011-10-25T03:47:12.029+01:00I have no objection to prioritize if you like it, ...I have no objection to prioritize if you like it, although I would prioritise 'preferred'. <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=prioritise%2Cprioritize&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3" rel="nofollow">It seems to have taken off in the 1980s</a>, along with much other corporate gobbledygook. Still, I'll accept prioritize if you'll accept tʃu:n...Simon M Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06879703456056313280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57860215026909287482011-10-25T01:06:34.263+01:002011-10-25T01:06:34.263+01:00Sorry, Simon M. Hunter: you just got pwned (sic). ...Sorry, Simon M. Hunter: you just got pwned (sic). <br /><br />On the plus side, we don't often see John Wells below the line defending himself. So kudos for that.<br /><br />John Wells: I am not a phonetics student, but this blog is one I now read every day. I hope I am learning something along the way.<br /><br />Thanks for it.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09698347977063834446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-16906191386189726692011-10-25T00:04:18.757+01:002011-10-25T00:04:18.757+01:00What shocks you about prioritized, Simon M Hunter?...What shocks you about <i>prioritized</i>, Simon M Hunter? The -ize spelling rather than -ise? But that's preferred by many British dictionaries, including the OED. Or is it this vocabulary item? It's been in the language for over fifty years, and expresses succinctly what would otherwise take several words ('accorded the first position', 'treated as the main pronunciation').John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-17073667873422010762011-10-24T23:06:59.353+01:002011-10-24T23:06:59.353+01:00What is your preference?
Or rather what's the...What is your preference?<br /><br />Or rather what's the difference between tʃ, dʒ and tj, dj?Jens Knudsen (Sili)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14078875730565068352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-83729801448733758422011-10-24T22:11:04.572+01:002011-10-24T22:11:04.572+01:00At least cot/caught merged forms are given as pref...At least cot/caught merged forms are given as preferred for US English. MW's Learner's Dictionary does not list cot/caught unmerged forms at all.Andamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17425776665727802612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-39426162973898429642011-10-24T18:50:14.551+01:002011-10-24T18:50:14.551+01:00"Transcription-wise, the most important chang..."Transcription-wise, the most important change is that words such as tune, duke now have the tʃ, dʒ form prioritized. This is what my own preference poll reveals to be the most widely preferred BrE form, but I still find it a bit shocking."<br /><br />Prioritized? That is much more shocking than tʃu:n or dʒu:k :)Simon M Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06879703456056313280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-74304372552965608322011-10-24T09:29:31.558+01:002011-10-24T09:29:31.558+01:00There is an excerpt from the new Cambridge here. I...There is an excerpt from the new Cambridge <a href="http://www.cambridge.org/servlet/file/store6/item6611030/version1/9780521152532_excerpt.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I think the new typeface for IPA symbols is Charis SIL. Previously, I believe it was Doulos. I like this new look.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.com