tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post8042613916547248940..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: Segoe UIJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-28487793721793387412013-04-24T10:39:34.600+01:002013-04-24T10:39:34.600+01:00Tomislav ZM
Try substituting Lucinda Grande.
If ...Tomislav ZM<br /><br />Try substituting Lucinda Grande.<br /><br />If you can't do this within your browser, copy the text to another application such as <b>Word</b>.<br /><br />If your system refuses to do this, look in the <b>Preferences</b> of your browser. You may have to enable it to make font changes.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-73209368115741948032013-04-24T02:48:17.137+01:002013-04-24T02:48:17.137+01:00I am trying to download my college application and...I am trying to download my college application and I am repeatedly getting a message that I am "missing SegoeUI fonts". I have a Mac and can not find those fonts for it. The downloaded PDF is unreadable - not all of it, just the portion I filled out. Instead of the letters I see dots. Can you help please. I tried all 3 browsers I have -Safari, Firefox and Chrome and all download the same unreadable file.<br />Please Help.Thanks!Tomislav ZMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08506385327716869732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-127297300946590852013-03-13T13:22:31.895+00:002013-03-13T13:22:31.895+00:00There's a change from three years ago. Microso...There's a change from three years ago. Microsoft have now made Segoe available to <a href="http://www.ascenderfonts.com/foundry/microsoft/" rel="nofollow">Ascenderfonts</a>, but the price is a bit steep.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-50813887090421451532013-03-13T12:27:23.944+00:002013-03-13T12:27:23.944+00:00When will Microsoft include Lucida Grande in its p...When will Microsoft include Lucida Grande in its products.<br />When will Apple include Segoe UI in its products?vince dcharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15429619826047596403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-57484799120002483242010-07-15T18:15:09.377+01:002010-07-15T18:15:09.377+01:00Phew!Phew!mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-17066688892264784722010-07-15T18:07:20.979+01:002010-07-15T18:07:20.979+01:00"langen Zeitraum". I think the allegro f...<i>"langen Zeitraum". I think the allegro form of that would be more likely to have [laŋŋ]</i><br /><br />I concur.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-60398672262701381992010-07-15T18:02:38.096+01:002010-07-15T18:02:38.096+01:00Neither did I. I was quoting Lipman. It did seem v...Neither did I. I was quoting Lipman. It did seem very allegro to me though, and his implied [maɪ̯ŋ] almost implausibly so. But my synaptic responses to all this are close to extinction, and I think we've thought it to a standstill.<br /><br />We could start thinking about something else: when I said the assimilation is more likely to be progressive, as in [laŋŋ] for /laŋn/, he quipped "progressive assimilation would give you *[maɪ̯nn daɪ̯st]."<br /><br />The best example I can come up with for now of what I am talking about before a real alveolar is "über langen Zeitraum". I think the allegro form of that would be more likely to have [laŋŋ]. Which way do you people in the front line think the n would jump?<br /><br />Thanks for the above reports of legibility at different settings. I have set Firefox to override individual page settings and display everything in the wonderful Segoe UI. It's a joy to behold. I see the all syllabic marks now, and the double ones have become magnificently double.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42013895669707472842010-07-15T16:16:46.511+01:002010-07-15T16:16:46.511+01:00mallamb:
"das geht über [main] Geist" is...mallamb:<br />"das geht über [main] Geist" is allegro speech but I would not consider it substandard.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-46434812418720827352010-07-15T13:39:41.650+01:002010-07-15T13:39:41.650+01:00I'm using Windows 7. The diacritical marks on ...I'm using Windows 7. The diacritical marks on the <i>n</i>'s do not appear when I view the page in Mozilla Seamonkey or Internet Explorer, but they do appear in Google Chrome and in the e-mail updates.Miles Rindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733605717776262840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-66096029552237604252010-07-15T12:13:54.418+01:002010-07-15T12:13:54.418+01:00I see them, both the single and the double ones (W...I see them, both the single and the double ones (Win7/64, Opera 10.something).<br /><br />Oh, just checked with the IE; there, the single and double strokes are visible, but placed next to the n instead of beneath.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-32978097995334224632010-07-15T12:04:03.242+01:002010-07-15T12:04:03.242+01:00Your ns in [maɪ̯n̩], [maɪ̯nn̩] seem to have lost t...Your <i>n</i>s in [maɪ̯n̩], [maɪ̯nn̩] seem to have lost their syllabic mark, though it shows up again when I copy it into the comment box. I tried double ones in [maɪ̯ŋ̩̩], [maɪ̯nŋ̩̩] in the comment I just posted and they do appear (incorrectly). I wonder if John is experimenting with the comment fonts. I have looked at the Page Source, but I no longer know which way is up.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-59253534590199500902010-07-15T11:38:25.562+01:002010-07-15T11:38:25.562+01:00Neither did I, actually. I was just trying to make...Neither did I, actually. I was just trying to make sense of the [maɪnəŋ]. <br /><br />When you said "The ŋ is fine, though by no means the only possiblity. I think it would typically be [maɪ̯n̩], [maɪ̯nn̩] or [maɪ̯n] (substandard) or indeed any of these with ŋ. The schwa would be pronounced only in careful formal speech, and then the n would probably stay unassimilated" I replied "I am still not convinced that the ŋ is entirely fine. I really think German is much less given to assimilation than English." <br /><br />Perhaps I should have given more obvious support to your [maɪ̯n̩], [maɪ̯nn̩] or [maɪ̯n], which I felt were the best all-purpose transcriptions, and explicitly queried the [maɪ̯ŋ̩̩], [maɪ̯nŋ̩̩] or [maɪ̯ŋ] that "any of these with ŋ" implied.mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42190288994994204282010-07-15T08:56:01.697+01:002010-07-15T08:56:01.697+01:00I concur; I think nobody says that in any register...I concur; I think nobody says that in any register.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-79435022889166842922010-07-15T07:22:30.727+01:002010-07-15T07:22:30.727+01:00Lipman,
you're absolutely right that there ar...Lipman,<br /><br />you're absolutely right that there are additional (unassimilated) versions. I do have a bit of a problem, however, to say [mainŋ] smoothly.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-4153078948662537762010-07-14T18:21:10.475+01:002010-07-14T18:21:10.475+01:00And kids learning to read!And kids learning to read!mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-26684414779516529172010-07-14T17:46:21.899+01:002010-07-14T17:46:21.899+01:00Sorry to stick to it. Also, many people wouldn'...Sorry to stick to it. Also, many people wouldn't assimilate the n and have [maɪ̯n̩], [maɪ̯nn̩], [maɪ̯nː] or even [maɪ̯n], with little difference in social prestige, I'd say.<br /><br />Even more formal and artificial would be [mainɛn], certainly not unheard, though probably more common among new politicians, Hochdeutsch speakers with a dialect background and younger stage actors. Singers often do that.Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42731934679781191112010-07-14T17:16:26.044+01:002010-07-14T17:16:26.044+01:00So unlike Lipman and me you don't feel [mainə...So unlike Lipman and me you don't feel [mainəŋ ɡaist] is the least bit incongruous as compared with [mainŋ ɡaist]?mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-58888355760611992452010-07-14T17:03:21.445+01:002010-07-14T17:03:21.445+01:00"das geht über meinen Geist" (~ that'..."das geht über meinen Geist" (~ that's way over my head)<br />Depending on the degree of articulatory precision, sloppiness and speed native speakers of German say<br />- [mainən ɡaist]<br />- [mainəŋ ɡaist]<br />- [maiŋŋ ɡaist]<br />- [maiŋ ɡaist]Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-51171016725334949972010-07-13T12:31:39.053+01:002010-07-13T12:31:39.053+01:00Amy
I've only once set out to update a font —...Amy<br /><br />I've only once set out to update a font — replacing some earlier <i>SIL</i> fonts with the newer version of <i>Doulos</i>. My other updates result from upgrading to <b><i>Word 2008</i></b> and <b><i>Snow Leopard</i></b>.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-73375550953728016392010-07-13T12:21:15.992+01:002010-07-13T12:21:15.992+01:00David, thanks for the all the font updating advice...David, thanks for the all the font updating advice. I never realized that fonts could be updated! I'll check my browser prefs, too.Amy Stollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067839246823753590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-59312145333639542222010-07-13T09:45:23.249+01:002010-07-13T09:45:23.249+01:00Yes, if you mean Geist in its sense of spirit, liq...Yes, if you mean <i>Geist</i> in its sense of spirit, liquor.<br />(But you saw my point, I take it.)Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-52317160004749177442010-07-13T09:34:04.869+01:002010-07-13T09:34:04.869+01:00Or indeed [mmmmmmmmmm], my waggish friend!Or indeed [mmmmmmmmmm], my waggish friend!mallambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086916400059545681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-32324975498034359432010-07-13T08:00:19.222+01:002010-07-13T08:00:19.222+01:00mallamb, that might be true for nasal consonants, ...mallamb, that might be true for nasal consonants, but in this case progressive assimilation would give you *[maɪ̯nn daɪ̯st].Phillip Mindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801818752833289089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-20408304720677163672010-07-13T00:32:13.248+01:002010-07-13T00:32:13.248+01:00And another...
My Character Viewer struggles to r...And another...<br /><br />My <b>Character Viewer</b> struggles to recognise <b>Tahoma</b>. The ones that have <b>1D7B-F</b> seem to be <b>Tahoma Normal</b> and <b>Tahoma Negreta</b>. These are Version <b>5.02</b> — unlike <b>Tahoma Regular</b> and <b>Tahoma Bold</b>, which are Version <b>1.50</b>. <br /><br /><b>Character Viewer</b> seems to identify one as '<b>Tahoma 1KG=K9</b>' and the other as '<b>Tahoma >;68@=K9</b>'. Don't ask me which is which.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-15624002769829012362010-07-13T00:10:41.741+01:002010-07-13T00:10:41.741+01:00Amy
Another font that you might like to update is...Amy<br /><br />Another font that you might like to update is <b>Monaco</b>. My version is <b>Monaco 2.031;ADBE;MinionPro-Regular</b>.<br /><br />This and the ones I've already listed seem to be the only fonts that display all of the 1D7B-F set. You can quite possibly get by with just the latest <b>Geneva</b>, but updating all five will give you more flexibility.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.com