tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post861824764294869500..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: going awryJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-1002137699350317962020-07-08T21:53:26.481+01:002020-07-08T21:53:26.481+01:00Haloo pak^^
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Pelayanan CS yang ramah dan Proffesional dan pastinya sangat aman juga bisa anda dapatkan di Sentanapoker.yessy haryantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16503331838637071246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-33996263333356620942012-05-07T08:14:17.051+01:002012-05-07T08:14:17.051+01:00I say /fɔkən/ too, wherefore some Americans claim ...I say /fɔkən/ too, wherefore some Americans claim that I talk like a Brit. Then again, I also say the day of the week as /tuzdi/, wherefore some Americans claim that I talk like a gangster.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-92038816817728554492012-05-07T08:12:01.237+01:002012-05-07T08:12:01.237+01:00Well, I have said aubergine with THOUGHT all my li...Well, I have said <i>aubergine</i> with THOUGHT all my life. To be sure, I rarely say it at all, as <i>eggplant</i> is the regular term in my variety of English. I will have to switch to GOAT, I suppose.<br /><br />Live and learn.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-41041664848669498232012-05-07T08:08:00.386+01:002012-05-07T08:08:00.386+01:00In fact philosopher is philosophe + a redundant ag...In fact <i>philosopher</i> is <i>philosophe</i> + a redundant agent suffix <i>-er</i>, a form constructed in 14th-century Anglo-French (long before any non-rhotic varieties of English existed). No such agent suffix would be relevant to <i>apostrophe</i>.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-38287252917702804212012-05-06T17:47:55.057+01:002012-05-06T17:47:55.057+01:00There is also ˈmɔːvən for Malvern, which Alan S. C...There is also <b>ˈmɔːvən</b> for <i>Malvern</i>, which Alan S. C. Ross defines as "old fashioned U-pronunciation" in his article <i>Linguistic class-indicators in present-day English</i>.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-26463262586624185452012-05-04T06:58:32.864+01:002012-05-04T06:58:32.864+01:00But it's difficult to make sense of (dare sign...But it's difficult to make sense of (dare significato a) 'awry' (awe+ry) on its own, much less in a context.<br /><br />Something was seriously awry = something was all that ado about inspiring (someone with) awe? 'Awry' as a substantive does not seem to fit in here. Awry as a+wry, i. e. as an adjective or adverb --- much rather. This is at least my linguistic sentiment about it.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-48308333907547520462012-05-03T23:20:15.164+01:002012-05-03T23:20:15.164+01:00Nevertheless I think awe+ry are much more frequent...Nevertheless I think awe+ry are much more frequent morphemes than a+wry for the average person. My feeling is that this makes quite a powerful constraint.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01773966173117509466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-63844056798292516422012-05-03T10:48:06.398+01:002012-05-03T10:48:06.398+01:00Jassem had various idiosyncratic views. He e.g. re...Jassem had various idiosyncratic views. He e.g. represented the TRAP-vowel in English as an ɛ. I'd say our 'e' and 'o' are a bit closer to, maybe not cardinal, but German or French ɛ and ɔ, than to their e and o, but not as open as the former. I can literally hear the difference, especially the French open vowels are distinctly opener than ours, but the German ones too.<br /><br />Our ɨ was in the past somewhat fronter than it is now, it moved away from both KIT and ə, it's central and unrounded, but not close-mid. It is still not as back as the Turkish dotless i, but a bit more in that direction than it was say 50 or 80 years ago.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-26790609061546966822012-05-03T10:23:56.119+01:002012-05-03T10:23:56.119+01:00Which is what I thought. But judging by Wyktor Jas...Which is what I thought. But judging by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_phonology#The_vowel_system" rel="nofollow">Wyktor Jassem's chart</a> Polish <b>ɛ</b> and <b>ɔ</b> are very close to cardinal <b>ɛ</b> and <b>ɔ</b>. <b>ɨ</b> looks like <b>ə</b>, a close-mid central unrounded vowel, though a bit fronter.Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-5769178802985562612012-05-03T07:43:42.068+01:002012-05-03T07:43:42.068+01:00No, spelling pronunciation exists in other languag...No, spelling pronunciation exists in other languages too, probably in most languages, as in most languages there are minor irregularities in the way phonetics is mirrored in spelling. In English, these irregularities are not minor, that is the problem. I think there is a Wikipedia article or such, unreliable as W. is on the whole, on spelling pr.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42311744193297390202012-05-03T02:31:07.753+01:002012-05-03T02:31:07.753+01:00It's the authentic pronunciation — derived fro...It's the authentic pronunciation — derived from <b>ˈfaʊkon</b>. Some pedant inserted a letter L in the fifteenth century, because Latin <i>falco</i> had an L. Eventually people adopted a spelling pronunciation. I still occasionally hear <b>ˈfɔ:kn̩</b>.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-24686527928288304012012-05-03T01:41:15.946+01:002012-05-03T01:41:15.946+01:00Wait, falcon pronounced without the /l/? As an Ame...Wait, falcon pronounced without the /l/? As an American, I've never heard this.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06422825777267456219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19614026747980521962012-05-03T00:17:34.523+01:002012-05-03T00:17:34.523+01:00Only with the English language is using a spelling...Only with the English language is using a spelling pronunciation, i.e., actually pronouncing a word how it's spelled, considered a bad thing. That's funny to me.Jason Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399373762677357587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-17799005016854887382012-05-02T22:01:46.394+01:002012-05-02T22:01:46.394+01:00I've done most of those. Plus salllllmon. And ...I've done most of those. Plus salllllmon. And first after getting that right, did I come across fawken.Jens Knudsen (Sili)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14078875730565068352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-53738657867063438972012-05-02T19:46:24.077+01:002012-05-02T19:46:24.077+01:00Combining today's topic with yesterday's, ...Combining today's topic with yesterday's, I spent about 3/4 of my life pronouncing "aubergine" with the THOUGHT vowel in the first syllable. This was a spelling pronunciation that I picked up on a frolic of my own, and it took a long time to get out of the habit of it. However, this might've happened because there is some phonetic overlap between the GOAT and THOUGHT vowels in this part of the country.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-84722319697623125672012-05-02T19:33:14.342+01:002012-05-02T19:33:14.342+01:00Well, next time I'll give it my students, who ...Well, next time I'll give it my students, who think, as indeed most Poles, that Fe is 'I-rawn'. Good joke.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-64372437699691542432012-05-02T19:16:34.143+01:002012-05-02T19:16:34.143+01:00/aɪɾən/ is a nonce-word for someone who practices .../aɪɾən/ is a nonce-word for someone who practices irony, as in the short story "God Is an Iron" by Spider Robinson (see excerpt below). On the other hand, as a child I pronounced <i>irony</i> as /aɪɚni/ until I learned better.<br /><br />"God is an iron," I said. "Did you know that?"<br /><br />I turned to look at her and she was staring. She laughed experimentally, stopped when I failed to join in. "And I'm a pair of pants with a hole scorched through the ass?"<br /><br />"If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron."John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-10302708973683366802012-05-02T19:15:48.759+01:002012-05-02T19:15:48.759+01:00Wojciech
As a matter of General Interest: what ca...Wojciech<br /><br /><i>As a matter of General Interest: what categories (not *categores) of words do you Anglos like to think are most frequent to have an -e at the end in spelling pronounced like [i].</i><br /><br />Greek (Classical, Attic) words ending in <b>-η</b>. The majority of them, I suspect, proper names. And oh yes, quite a few figures of speech — hence <i>apostrophe</i>.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-30649308492417509952012-05-02T18:36:22.914+01:002012-05-02T18:36:22.914+01:00thank you, too. However, to be _quite_ exact, our ...thank you, too. However, to be _quite_ exact, our 'e' and 'o' are sort of midway between o and ɔ, e and ɛ, respectively. At least, they are less open than their German and French variants, somewhat more o- and e-like. And as for ɨ, it is in my perception at least less fronter than the diagram makes it out to be. And thus less out of place.<br /><br />For 'vagary' in the US: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vagaryPodpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-60039462568707541692012-05-02T18:23:21.856+01:002012-05-02T18:23:21.856+01:00If we'd borrowed the word at the same time as ...If we'd borrowed the word at the same time as <i>philosophe</i>, we might have called the mark an <i>apostropher</i>.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-92086022688596296762012-05-02T18:07:16.915+01:002012-05-02T18:07:16.915+01:00This Polish habit is undeed very ugly in non-Polis...This Polish habit is undeed very ugly in non-Polish languages, I am not sure about Ivrith, modern Hebrew, as it has great many Polish features in its standard pronunciation, for obvious reasons. Yet it is hardly suppressible --- a Polish learner must almost literally be beaten to learn to suppress it.<br /><br />Polish Catholic clergy, not just bishops, have a strange habit (spelling pronunciations at its crassest) to pronounce nasal vowels where, despite spelling, there are none and nothing nasal at all, e. g. certain verbal endings, like -ąłem, -ęłam, I ..ed (past tense). In the meantime, I have detected traces of similar phonetic malpractice in clerics of other denominations. This, however, is luckily restricted, to ceremonial texts, doesn't crop up in free speech.Podpora społeczeństwahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08339088245843399386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-8257175364037194692012-05-02T17:47:31.526+01:002012-05-02T17:47:31.526+01:00Bottom line:
Managua məˈnɑːgwa (though I have hea...Bottom line:<br /><br /><i>Managua</i> <b>məˈnɑːgwa</b> (though I <i>have</i> heard <b>məˈnængjuə</b>)<br /><i>Antigua</i> <b>ænˈtiːgə</b><br /><i>Nicaragua</i> <b>nɪkəˈrægjuə</b>Duchesse de Guermanteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198316853449400624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-59123721127438077642012-05-02T16:35:03.854+01:002012-05-02T16:35:03.854+01:00Nesonym, if you must (Gk νήσος). For the origin of...Nesonym, if you must (Gk νήσος). For the origin of the name, indeed Spanish, see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigua" rel="nofollow">here</a>.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-31019688442198867782012-05-02T15:57:12.535+01:002012-05-02T15:57:12.535+01:00Right, thanks, I could have phrased that better! I...Right, thanks, I could have phrased that better! I meant coyote [ˌkaɪˈoʊti ~ ˈkaɪˌoʊt]; maskinonge [ˈmæskəˌnɑnʤ ~ ˌmæskəˈnɑnʤi]; kalanchoe [ˌkælənˈkoʊi ~ ˈkælənˌʧoʊ]; Guadalupe, TX/NM ˌgwɑdəˈluːpi ~ ˈgwɑdəˌluːp]. My phrasing also assumes secondary final stresses, which many (especially British) linguists repudiate.Darin Flynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09519128908973046644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-13239334826489559422012-05-02T15:40:54.343+01:002012-05-02T15:40:54.343+01:00Coyote has penultimate stress either way.
Curious...Coyote has penultimate stress either way.<br /><br />Curiously, Wiktionary gives a British transcription of the 2nd O (/əʊ/), even though it's an American animal. (Unlike most Wikipedia entries, it doesn't have separate RP and US pronunciations.)Ellen Kozisekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16856539181411664278noreply@blogger.com