tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post8769786505779308416..comments2024-03-17T09:14:13.950+00:00Comments on John Wells’s phonetic blog: countless thousandsJohn Wellshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-54167821709726343012020-10-14T13:55:12.748+01:002020-10-14T13:55:12.748+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00648952042340829627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-44638871959509880622020-10-14T12:45:12.223+01:002020-10-14T12:45:12.223+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.edok69https://www.blogger.com/profile/08844773385471463764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-16333668806009237922020-10-13T14:56:35.705+01:002020-10-13T14:56:35.705+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.UpdateNewthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817493411036229597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-8378774232611833262020-10-13T14:56:06.253+01:002020-10-13T14:56:06.253+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.UpdateNewthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817493411036229597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-9103510067002186122020-10-13T11:56:24.190+01:002020-10-13T11:56:24.190+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.มโน เอาเองhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07048743272464383784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-34849274821501400012020-10-11T12:37:11.279+01:002020-10-11T12:37:11.279+01:00WOW! I Love it...
and i thing thats good for you &...WOW! I Love it...<br />and i thing thats good for you >> <br /><br /><a href="https://movieinmoment.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-theory-of-everything-2014.html" rel="nofollow">บันเทิง ดารา นางแบบ Miss Universe Thailand 2020</a><br />Thank you!kopi.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07984341973136760274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19821601227399565072011-02-03T00:20:18.937+00:002011-02-03T00:20:18.937+00:00The video you posted isn't working; it says it...The video you posted isn't working; it says it's private.<br /><br />(got it on the right post this time!)Finlaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-54047526907113354302011-01-04T09:49:50.499+00:002011-01-04T09:49:50.499+00:00Sorry, should be *they* say 'bath' with TR...Sorry, should be *they* say 'bath' with TRAP while we (soft Southerners) don't...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-87239773010652629092011-01-04T09:48:10.753+00:002011-01-04T09:48:10.753+00:00I wasn't sure whether to post this here or und...I wasn't sure whether to post this here or under the previous post on the mythical pronunciation of MOUTH using PRICE... but we have a good laugh in our family reading a book which was handed on to our kids. It's 'The Wind Blew', by Pat Hutchins, first published by Puffin in 1974 (tho' the Red Fox edition we have is dated 1994, interestingly). The first pages read:<br /><br />The wind blew.<br />It took the umbrella from Mr White<br />and quickly turned it inside out<br />It snatched the balloon from little Priscilla<br />and swept it up to join the umbrella<br />And not content, it took a hat<br />and still not satisfied with that...<br /><br />and so on. Note the unambiguous MOUTH-PRICE rhyme, and also that 'umbrella' presumably has KIT. It follows for us that 'hat' and 'that' have DRESS... Hours of fun for us parents, though our kids (5 and 2, growing up in West Yorkshire and at ease with the idea that we say 'bath' with TRAP while they don't) won't tolerate these 'weird' rhymes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-19031315808200075562010-12-28T20:20:54.137+00:002010-12-28T20:20:54.137+00:00Am I the only one who thinks it's the other wa...Am I the only one who thinks it's the other way round - the first MOUTH having less rounding than the second one?<br />To my ear, the way she pronounces 'thousands' here is very similar to what can be heard at 0:40 in the Prince's Trust clip mentioned here and at phonetiblog some time ago:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv7z65kaFB8Andrej Bjelakovićnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-77601412443910400052010-12-28T08:49:24.146+00:002010-12-28T08:49:24.146+00:00...but I'm writing (with just one "t"......but I'm writing (with just one "t") from my workplace, you know.<br /><br />Corrected Nervous AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-11779647979173419022010-12-28T08:41:24.819+00:002010-12-28T08:41:24.819+00:00@ John: Thanks! I was on the point of writting &qu...@ John: Thanks! I was on the point of writting "posed" but somehow I let myself go even though "made a very interesting question" looked rather strange to me. I think vocabulary is the most difficult aspect of language learning, pronunciation being the easiest; I would put grammar in the middle.<br />I apologize for being Anonymous -I know it's very impolite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-62354397125506295932010-12-28T05:50:18.887+00:002010-12-28T05:50:18.887+00:00@ John: I guess you're using "tapped r&q...@ John: I guess you're using "tapped r" to cover both alveolar taps and trills.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-42867154156745861632010-12-27T21:44:42.160+00:002010-12-27T21:44:42.160+00:00Since you are Anonymous, you won't mind if I c...Since you are Anonymous, you won't mind if I correct your English. You don't "make" a question in English, you "ask" it or "pose" it.<br /><br />My advice to foreign learners for /r/ is not to use a tapped r at all, even if the Queen sometimes does. Just as you would learn a uvular r for French, learn an approximant r for English. Likewise, British and American people must learn a tapped r for Spanish, Polish, Russian, Arabic, Japanese and many other languages. Otherwise you sound very foreign, which can detract attention from the content.John Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13684304410735867148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-85693852535605104852010-12-27T18:41:28.734+00:002010-12-27T18:41:28.734+00:00I think painter made a very interesting question. ...I think painter made a very interesting question. As a non-native speaker of English I would find it easier to use a tap whenever possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-24344766382069112722010-12-27T17:45:00.766+00:002010-12-27T17:45:00.766+00:00I noticed it when it was broadcast on BBC1, but wo...I noticed it when it was broadcast on BBC1, but wondered if I had imagined it since I had read your blog on the subject. When I watched it on YouTube, I could confirm that she used different sounds in "countless" and "thousands". Even the Queen's speech is changeable.<br /><br />I think that some status-conscious people discourage smoothing because it seems too similar to working-class pronunciations, with monophthongs in MOUTH such as a: or æ: <br /><br />There are some non-RP people that seem to do the reverse. In South Yorkshire, you are much more likely to hear a monophthong a: in a simple MOUTH word than you are in <i>power, shower, hour</i>, etc.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-65846008320588108772010-12-27T14:51:35.717+00:002010-12-27T14:51:35.717+00:00It is interesting to hear her use sometimes an alv...It is interesting to hear her use sometimes an alveolar tap, e.g. in <i>spirit</i> (at 4:29) and <i>very</i> (at 6:33), but approximants in other words with /r/'s, e.g. in <i>Christmas</i> (at 6:33), or <i>recovery</i> (at 4:53), or <i>inherited</i> (at 0:45). Is there a pattern where she tends to use a tap rather than an approximant?painternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-26716907618802141182010-12-27T11:42:15.816+00:002010-12-27T11:42:15.816+00:00The Two Ronnies sketch was called High Nigh and wa...The Two Ronnies sketch was called <i>High Nigh</i> and was written by the brilliant Ronnie Barker under his pen-name of Gerald Wiley. Can't find it on Youtube, alas, but you can see page one of the original script <a href="http://www.tomcl.co.uk/ShowDetails.asp?id=427" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and buy the whole thing for a mere £499.Martin Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-61594833168719321472010-12-27T11:33:28.984+00:002010-12-27T11:33:28.984+00:00@ Anonymous: You meant to put [aʏ] because you wer...@ Anonymous: You meant to put [aʏ] because you were describing the phonetic realization of a phoneme.Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-377103124456226005.post-49218308871621673632010-12-27T11:25:31.044+00:002010-12-27T11:25:31.044+00:00That's not too different from a broad Lancashi...That's not too different from a broad Lancashire pronunciation of MOUTH: it's more like /aY/ in Lancashire, distinct enough from PRICE to avoid confusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com