(I think the length mark at the end of the last word must be a mistake.)You will see that a century ago Noël-Armfield was already bemoaning the decline in street cries. He was concerned chiefly with hawkers who walked the streets as they tried to sell their wares: his examples include sellers of coal, newspapers, watercress, milk, muffins, firewood and oysters. Apart from milk, which many Londoners still have delivered by a milkman, and coal, which no one uses any more, these are goods which you would nowadays buy in a supermarket. So nowadays there are no “cries” on the streets of London except possibly in the street markets. Even there I think market vendors at Portobello Road and Petticoat Lane are too sophisticated these days to shout their wares, though I suppose you might possibly find the odd stallholder at Brixton or Ridley Road calling out some special offer. And there are always the tricksters in Oxford Street.
Note the unexpected transcriptions kærəktristik and inʌnsjeiʃn (each with only four syllables). It’s interesting, too, to see ə in the endings -less and -ness, something DJ didn’t recognize for RP.
Noël-Armfield must be mistaken in his speculation that the glottal stop (“by no means uncommon … in the East End”) is due to German Jews. Apart from anything else, German/Yiddish glottal stop is initial (or as he would presumably have put it, “ʔim ʔanlɑut”), reinforcing a vowel, whereas the Cockney glottal stop is indeed typically medial or final and represents t.
At that time the Jews were the latest wave of immigrants in the East End. They were mainly from present-day Poland, Belarus or Ukraine rather than “German”, but of course Yiddish-speaking. A century later, their descendants have now moved out to Hendon or Chigwell and their place has been taken by the Bengalis and Somalis.
Noël-Armfield then launches into musical notation. I have space only for a small sample, covering the cries uttered by milkmen and chimney sweeps.
You’ll notice here another strange length mark in a NEAR word, ear-splitting in the last line. I wonder, too, whether “dʒenuin” is a mistake for the expected dʒenjuin, or whether it was intentional.Noël-Armfield became Jones’s Assistant at UCL. He was the author of several books. One, called English Humour in Phonetic Transcript, you can view here. Another was General Phonetics for Missionaries and Students of Languages (read it here). Yet another was Un peu de rire français avec transcription phonétique, which I have never seen.
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"in iz inVnSeiSn" - is the lack of "h" here intentional do you think? Also, was it common to distinguish /I/ and /i/ by the length only (and thus write "i" and "i:" instead of "I" and "i:")?
ReplyDeleteThere are some other interesting renderings as well, eg the r in nætʃərli (natur'lly?) and some others I already forgot.
ReplyDeleteThe note about German Jews is really strange. German Jews didn't live there anyway, but even if he meant Jews who speak "corrupted German", ie Eastern European speakers of (Eastern) Yiddish, why on earth would they have a glottal stop for an intervocalic t, or even glottalise it?
Kilian,
ReplyDeleteIt's "in iz inVnsjeiSn" (and incidentally VniniSjeitid, which is also interesting in the context of John's observation about the ə in the endings -less and -ness).
And I'm sure the lack of "h" here is intentional. It seems that for most of my life it's only been elocutionists who said "hiz" in that sort of context, i.e. without emphasis. Nowadays of course, things may be more polarized between educated "hiz" and uneducated "iz". I get the impression the h is being dropped less in hij and hem in Dutch too, no?
You will observe I have kept the i for I. That was quite usual for a lot of my life too, though I remember one of the first books I read by Daniel Jones, but not which one, having a special transcription, with the iota ɩ for ɪ and closed omega ɷ for ʊ which were used then, but otherwise I think the current symbols, for speakers who lengthened their short vowels for various effects and therefore needed to have them marked for quality as well as quantity.
I'm not at all convinced that the criers were indistinct because of boredom and carelessness. I would suggest rather that it is because they were singing — however unmusically.
ReplyDeleteThe crier's task is to produce a short stretch of sound which is loud and recognisable. The loudness comes from open-throat resonance, the recognition by a consistent pattern of vowel sounds, pitch and pitch movement. Consonants contribute little — until such time as the singer/crier decides to add linguistic communication.
Many pub singers show the same indifference to communicating the text, while striving to get the tune right and, if possible, the vowel sequences.
My earliest memories are of the 1940's. By then the only regularly heard cry in the streets of Nottingham was a descending note progression with oʊ on the higher pitch and u: on the sustained lower note. I eventually came to realise that the cry was Post! News! (or possible Post and News!). But that was redundant information; the man would be standing by a pile of newspapers with one in his hand. The purpose of the cry was merely to attract the attention of anyone who might want to buy a paper.
Street cries may have disappeared, but the idiom lives on where pub landlords call time. The pitch and melody are constant from night to night, and nobody minds if the consonants — or even the odd syllables — are swallowed.
Kilian: yes, yes.
ReplyDeleteFor the notation of English vowels see my discussion at http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/ipa-english-uni.htm, §5.
@Lipman: I wouldn't be surprised if the reference to "the German Jew" (note the use of the singular) is the result of xenofobia or latent racism. It seems an easy conclusion to make ("1: use of glottal stop. 2: invasion of Jews. Conclusion: " etc.), although a strange one by a linguist.
ReplyDelete@mallamb: It is not that I would expect the /h/ to be there in pronunciation, but for the most part the transcription seems rather phonemic, not phonetic. As for /h\/ being dropped in Dutch, we have the clitic forms (or at least contracted forms) "ie" /i/ for "hij" /h\Ei/ and "'m" /@m/ (or even /@_Xm/) for "hem" /h\Em/. But the full forms retain their /h\/.
Kilian, always possible in the most unexpected people, but it might also be a plain lack of knowledge or, somewhat in between, ignorance of what exactly Yiddish is, phonetically and in general, other than the general tendency to distort a "host" language.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteIn your discussion of notation of English vowels linked to above, you say of Upton's atavistic use of a purely quantitative distinction for AGO and NURSE
I concede that the logic of this argument would lead also to the avoidance of the schwa symbol in the goat diphthong [əʊ]. It might well have been better if Gimson had chosen to write it [ɜʊ]. I was tempted to innovate in LPD by using that symbol.
I take it you mean the first edition of LPD, but even by then I'm not sure it would have been an innovation. I had a feeling [ɜʊ] was used in the first edition of Collins English Dictionary, and your mention of it sent me straight to my copy of it, but I was wrong. Of course it isn't in any of the other editions I have got copies of either, but even though no dictionary may ever have adopted it, I feel sure [ɜʊ] was around for a bit alongside [əʊ] for RP o in some phonetics literature or other. Does no one else remember that?
I can't imagine anyone not thinking any adoption at all of Upton's scheme is an absolute disaster. I couldn't believe my eyes when I first saw the 1995 COD. Actually the ʌɪ looks a bit atavistic too. It reminds me of the SOED's əi.
Kilian,
What I was saying was that I seemed to be hearing more hypercorrect-type full forms of hij and hem where I would expect the weak ones than I used to. My question was whether there was any analogy with the educated-uneducated polarization I thought I detected in English.
David,
When I was fist in Japan in the 60s I was struck by how fully articulated the Cries of Tokyo were (and how moving: almost an ostensive definition of mono-no-aware).
Mallamb
ReplyDeleteCould the difference between Japanese and English cries be simply a reflection of the incidence of consonant clusters and closed syllables?
Kilian, Mallamb
ReplyDeleteWe can tell that Noël-Armfield's lack of h was intentional by his practice in John's first link English Humour in Phonetic Transcript.
He consistently represents him as (h)im. And in the first joke he represents latter had as lætə(r) əd with an explanatory footnote.
David,
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you're right about the consonant clusters. Although Tokyo Japanese is a almost up to Portuguese standards for consonant clusters caused by disappearing vowels, such as we were discussing here on the recent "Portuguese" thread, the vowels get reinstated in singing a lot more than they do in Portuguese.
But even relatively CVCV cries of English are reductionist. "Any more fares, please?" comes to mind as a mostly CVCV cry which in my earliest youth I saw credibly parodied somewhere as Erryoarairee.
And "any more fares, please?" can notoriously coincide phonetically with "let them off first, please" to give an all-purpose bus conductor's cry, ˈenəmɔːˈfɛ̈ːspliːz or thereabouts.
ReplyDeleteBut that whereabouts is a bit more of an approximation to phonation from which to achieve that all-purpose function, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteI was going to say human speech, but thought phonation would be more amusing, but it's just plain wrong on reflection.
ReplyDeleteThe length marks usage is interesting; round dots in the text of the article, but the triangular ones in the title.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know where the convention of using the triangular marks comes from? Was this just a typographical variant of that time which gradually came to be recognized as the IPA form? In fact, does the IPA recognize round dots and triangular ones as both being okay?
Martin: I think this is just typographical. I'm not sure when it was decided that the dots should be triangular, but it was certainly before 1910. Evidently the printer didn't have triangular length-marks in the type size required for the title.
ReplyDeleteIn typewriting, people used a colon, obviously. But printed material has used the triangular dots for over a century.
"Un peu de rire français avec transcription phonétique" can be read online at
ReplyDeletehttp://www.archive.org/details/unpeuderirefran00nouoft
interesing...;)
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